Adding temperature equation to porousSimpleFoam

David_010 · December 5, 2011, 18:16

Hi to all,

I have been working with the solver porousSimpleFoam (incompressible flow: liquid metals) with isothermal cases and know I need to move to a heat transfer problem, also with porous media. For that, I need to add the temperature equation to the solver. I know how to do with the common temperature equation, but not how to do for the porous media. So, any idea of how to do that?

Thank in advance,

David

Ola Widlund · December 6, 2011, 07:52

Hi David,

I think you should bring out pen and paper and think about the mathematical description of your system. You can let your computer rest until you've finished...

Do you have different temperatures in fluid and solid? How do you represent thermal inertia of the solid (probably two different temperature fields)? How do you intend to model the heat transfer between fluid and solid (the porous media)? Do you have an empirical relation for that? Over what surface area does the heat transfer take place? And what's the shape of the interface? What assumptions can you make about turbulence in the porous medium?

Once you have a clear picture of the above, I think you will also have some ideas about what's needed for the numerical modeling. That's the easy part.

/Ola

Ola Widlund · December 6, 2011, 07:53

Oh, I forgot: What about phase change?!

/Ola

David_010 · December 6, 2011, 08:50

Hi Ola,

Firs of all, thank you very much for your answer. My idea is to simulate a nuclear reactor core. The fuel bundles will be aproximated as porous media. As a first approximation (and I now that is not real at all) I want to suppose uniform temperature between bundles and fluid (liquid metal), so, only one equation is needed, and no phase change. I need also to add an internal heat generation therm.

For a more advanced version, I will add heat transfer between solid and liquid and two temperature equations (liquid and solid), but first I want to start with a simple version.

Asuming that, how to relate the values present on the temperature equation (porosity...) with the porousSimpleFoam solver?

Thankyou very much again,

David

romant · June 21, 2012, 06:47

Have you ever been successful with your temperature equation input?

Quote:

Originally Posted by David_010

Hi Ola,

Firs of all, thank you very much for your answer. My idea is to simulate a nuclear reactor core. The fuel bundles will be aproximated as porous media. As a first approximation (and I now that is not real at all) I want to suppose uniform temperature between bundles and fluid (liquid metal), so, only one equation is needed, and no phase change. I need also to add an internal heat generation therm.

For a more advanced version, I will add heat transfer between solid and liquid and two temperature equations (liquid and solid), but first I want to start with a simple version.

Asuming that, how to relate the values present on the temperature equation (porosity...) with the porousSimpleFoam solver?

Thankyou very much again,

David

David_010 · June 21, 2012, 08:35

Hi Roman,

Yes, I was succesful. In my case I asumed equilibrium between solid and liquid so averaged properties are used (thermal conductivity, viscosity). I also added the buoyancy term and internal heat generation. Results were in good agreement with available numerical and experimental results in the literature regarding a square cavity with porous and fluid layers.

David

romant · June 21, 2012, 08:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by David_010

Hi Roman,

Yes, I was succesful. In my case I asumed equilibrium between solid and liquid so averaged properties are used (thermal conductivity, viscosity). I also added the buoyancy term and internal heat generation. Results were in good agreement with available numerical and experimental results in the literature regarding a square cavity with porous and fluid layers.

David

Have you published the results somewhere? And is it possible to obtain the source code?

papteo · February 18, 2013, 09:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by romant

Have you published the results somewhere? And is it possible to obtain the source code?

Hi ,

I am interesting also for the implementation of the energy equation in porous media. Is it possibly to give us some more information about the programming? I would be really grateful if you could send me some more information (e.g. code).

Ma email adress is theodpapadopoulos@yahoo.gr

Thank you very much in advance

Saran16 · December 9, 2016, 06:06

Hello Friends
I am new to openfoam my project is to analysis the heat flow over a surface in which am using a porous surface now i have see how much temp difference is there at the start and after a time interval how to use poroussimplefoam. my flow is laminar for a simple case.

svramana · February 14, 2018, 02:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by David_010

Hi Roman,

Yes, I was succesful. In my case I asumed equilibrium between solid and liquid so averaged properties are used (thermal conductivity, viscosity). I also added the buoyancy term and internal heat generation. Results were in good agreement with available numerical and experimental results in the literature regarding a square cavity with porous and fluid layers.

David

Hi i am trying to add TEquation to porousSimplefoam ,i have general idea about adding temperature equation to Icofoam. I tried to implement the same

i am not clear how to add porosity effect into it. Any leads in this direction will be highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Regards,
S.V.Ramana

December 5, 2011, 18:16	Adding temperature equation to porousSimpleFoam	#1
David_010 Member David Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Spain Posts: 62 Rep Power: 16	Hi to all, I have been working with the solver porousSimpleFoam (incompressible flow: liquid metals) with isothermal cases and know I need to move to a heat transfer problem, also with porous media. For that, I need to add the temperature equation to the solver. I know how to do with the common temperature equation, but not how to do for the porous media. So, any idea of how to do that? Thank in advance, David

June 21, 2012, 08:35		#6
David_010 Member David Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Spain Posts: 62 Rep Power: 16	Hi Roman, Yes, I was succesful. In my case I asumed equilibrium between solid and liquid so averaged properties are used (thermal conductivity, viscosity). I also added the buoyancy term and internal heat generation. Results were in good agreement with available numerical and experimental results in the literature regarding a square cavity with porous and fluid layers. David svramana likes this.

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December 6, 2011, 07:52		#2
Ola Widlund New Member Ola Widlund Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Sweden Posts: 13 Rep Power: 15	Hi David, I think you should bring out pen and paper and think about the mathematical description of your system. You can let your computer rest until you've finished... Do you have different temperatures in fluid and solid? How do you represent thermal inertia of the solid (probably two different temperature fields)? How do you intend to model the heat transfer between fluid and solid (the porous media)? Do you have an empirical relation for that? Over what surface area does the heat transfer take place? And what's the shape of the interface? What assumptions can you make about turbulence in the porous medium? Once you have a clear picture of the above, I think you will also have some ideas about what's needed for the numerical modeling. That's the easy part. /Ola

December 6, 2011, 07:53		#3
Ola Widlund New Member Ola Widlund Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Sweden Posts: 13 Rep Power: 15	Oh, I forgot: What about phase change?! /Ola

December 6, 2011, 08:50		#4
David_010 Member David Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Spain Posts: 62 Rep Power: 16	Hi Ola, Firs of all, thank you very much for your answer. My idea is to simulate a nuclear reactor core. The fuel bundles will be aproximated as porous media. As a first approximation (and I now that is not real at all) I want to suppose uniform temperature between bundles and fluid (liquid metal), so, only one equation is needed, and no phase change. I need also to add an internal heat generation therm. For a more advanced version, I will add heat transfer between solid and liquid and two temperature equations (liquid and solid), but first I want to start with a simple version. Asuming that, how to relate the values present on the temperature equation (porosity...) with the porousSimpleFoam solver? Thankyou very much again, David

December 9, 2016, 06:06		#9
Saran16 New Member saran Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 10	Hello Friends I am new to openfoam my project is to analysis the heat flow over a surface in which am using a porous surface now i have see how much temp difference is there at the start and after a time interval how to use poroussimplefoam. my flow is laminar for a simple case.