[Martin_Sz]

Hello
I have props about to create new thread on Software CFD Forum - SimScale
This question is for admin. Now Im testing this software (based on OpenFoam)and its very interesting . GUI is very intuitive. I make some tutorials .
Links below
https://howtooansys.blogspot.com/202...zzle-game.html
https://howtooansys.blogspot.com/202...-flow-1st.html

[CFDfan]

Originally Posted by Martin_Sz

Hello
I have props about to create new thread on Software CFD Forum - SimScale
This question is for admin. Now Im testing this software (based on OpenFoam)and its very interesting . GUI is very intuitive. I make some tutorials .
Links below
https://howtooansys.blogspot.com/202...zzle-game.html
https://howtooansys.blogspot.com/202...-flow-1st.html

Hi, thank you, very interesting. I've been proposing a new thread of Cradle CFD (scStream, scFlow and scTetra) for a long time. Had no response from the admin. Wander what is required for a new thread to be created.

[arjun]

All you need to do is insert openfoam somewhere in the request :-D


https://www.cfd-online.com/Forums/openfoam-journal/

Originally Posted by CFDfan

Hi, thank you, very interesting. I've been proposing a new thread of Cradle CFD (scStream, scFlow and scTetra) for a long time. Had no response from the admin. Wander what is required for a new thread to be created.

[sbaffini]

Originally Posted by Martin_Sz

Hello
I have props about to create new thread on Software CFD Forum - SimScale
This question is for admin. Now Im testing this software (based on OpenFoam)and its very interesting . GUI is very intuitive. I make some tutorials .
Links below
https://howtooansys.blogspot.com/202...zzle-game.html
https://howtooansys.blogspot.com/202...-flow-1st.html

May be wrong but, to me, that just looks like yet another OpenFOAM + AWS repackaging. Plus a bunch of other OS codes.

There is no theoretical issue that could be usefully discussed here, as there seems to be no available information on their "proprietary" developments. So, you are left with OF stuff, which already has several forums here.

Finally, the most added value actually seems to be their online community, which would just suffer from being replicated here (considering the useful online collaboration tools they offer on their site).

Thus, while I'm not involved at all in the decision process that leads to the adoption, or not, of new forums here, I think that the SimScale proposal would reduce to just a forum to get some help on using their web GUI. And this seems not the correct place to put it.

[aerosayan]

Always online, Software As A Service (SAAS) CFD codes are not something I'm interested in at all. In the long run, they end up costing a lot more than buying the hardware myself.

I don't need 1000s of CPU/GPU clusters right now, and if I need them for long time use, it would be more cost efficient to buy the hardware incrementally, or deploy SU2 or OpenFOAM on AWS or other clusters directly.

[CFDfan]

Originally Posted by sbaffini

May be wrong but, to me, that just looks like yet another OpenFOAM + AWS repackaging. Plus a bunch of other OS codes.

There is no theoretical issue that could be usefully discussed here, as there seems to be no available information on their "proprietary" developments. So, you are left with OF stuff, which already has several forums here.

Finally, the most added value actually seems to be their online community, which would just suffer from being replicated here (considering the useful online collaboration tools they offer on their site).

Thus, while I'm not involved at all in the decision process that leads to the adoption, or not, of new forums here, I think that the SimScale proposal would reduce to just a forum to get some help on using their web GUI. And this seems not the correct place to put it.

I can't see anything wrong in having dedicated forums where the users discuss the usage of a particular code (SimScale or something else). This would be good for you (theoreticians) as well, so you don't have to mingle with the common users and get bored with trivial questions. This would, I guess, increase the site's visits too. That could unfortunately be the admin's issue of creating new threads if he doesn't have the bandwidth.

[sbaffini]

Originally Posted by CFDfan

I can't see anything wrong in having dedicated forums where the users discuss the usage of a particular code (SimScale or something else). This would be good for you (theoreticians) as well, so you don't have to mingle with the common users and get bored with trivial questions. This would, I guess, increase the site's visits too. That could unfortunately be the admin's issue of creating new threads if he doesn't have the bandwidth.

I probably used a wrong wording to express what I wanted to say. Let me clarify.

What I wanted to say is that, per se, I see nothing wrong in having a sub forum dedicated to whatever CFD commercial product, obviously. But, I think, this should have, at least, two main purposes:

1) Discussions about how a certain model is theorized/implemented in the code

2) Discussions about how to use a certain model in the code for a certain case

Now, why I think a SimScale sub forum would be unsuitable here? Because:

a) it is, in large part, based on OpenFOAM, so that most questions related to the points 1 and 2 above would find an answer in the respective OpenFOAM sub-forums

b) For whatever proprietary extension they might have, there is no available documentation at all, not a paper, nothing. Thus, nothing to discuss beyond OpenFOAM.

So, once you take away the 2 points above, what is left to discuss here? GUI usage (which is different from point 2), and I think this is not enough to justify a sub-forum here.

Also, I noted, SimScale has its own online community with forums and additional online collaboration tools which really enrich the platform. So, in addition to the points above, I think that a sub-forum here would be pointless because unable to replicate the features of the already available one on SimScale (to the point of being detrimental because of the peril of diluting information).

But hey, this is not math, just my opinion. Also, I have no idea how they decide which code gets in and which one doesn't.

EDIT: Actually, thinking about it, SimScale has probably all the interest in keeping their community bonded to their online tools and woud try to discourage any sort of migration to other forums. So, even if this was done, you would have a forum here vs the one where official support actually answers. Not sure I would like to put my time on something like this

[CFDfan]

thank you sbaffini for the clarification. I'd like to see discussions on your points 1 and 2 because that's an issue the users are dealing especially in codes offering large variety of turbulence models. I also agree with your arguments that a forum for SimScale, being a commercial derivative of OF, may not be such a good idea.

Regarding the conditions to get in - I think money, as usual, plays a part in that and the ads on the top of each page are the proof (not that there is something wrong with the concept, just saying). C'est la vie.
Edit: I may not be entirely correct about that because Gradle CFD, I've been asking for a forum of, is owned by Hexagon and the latter is listed in the sponsors list, so there are other criteria we don't know of.

[arjun]

I think there is no rational way in which cfd online decides what forums they want to open. It all depends on the forum moderator and how he feels about it.

As I posted the link there is now a forum about the journal related to openfoam. So you can not convince me that simscale using the openfoam is not doing enough to warrant one.

[sbaffini]

I think money has no role at all in this. Also, finding at least a moderator, seems a reasonable starting point to me as well.

[sbaffini]

Originally Posted by arjun

I think there is no rational way in which cfd online decides what forums they want to open. It all depends on the forum moderator and how he feels about it.

As I posted the link there is now a forum about the journal related to openfoam. So you can not convince me that simscale using the openfoam is not doing enough to warrant one.

I actually think SimScale doesn't want one, if this is an argument at all in the decision process. And if I were in the OF community, I couldn't care less. These two arguments, alone, in my opinion, would kill it before it even starts.

Yet, again, I have no idea how this is decided.

[slaine]

Sorry to reactivate an old thread here. However, I wanted to point out that it could be beneficial to have a SimScale forum on CFD Online. Although SimScale does have a forum it would be good to have discussion here around the different capabilities and setup for CFD Online users. It could be very beneficial to CFD Online users to compare the capabilities of what is offered by SimScale and other providers outside of the SimScale forum.

SimScale is not only OpenFoam based anymore. SimScale as a simulation platform provides access to a range of solvers for different applications now.

For rotating machinery, valves and fluid flow applications SimScale provides Simerics as a solver.

For FEA applications SimScale provides Code Aster as a solver.

For external AEC and pedestrian wind comfort applications SimScale provides Pacefish, an LBM based solver that runs on GPU instances.

[slaine]

Although SimScale does have its own forum, I think that a forum for SimScale on CFD Online would be very beneficial for users to be able to compare what can be achieved with SimScale vs other tools.

I have created a discussion group for SimScale here.

[CFDfan]

Originally Posted by slaine

Although SimScale does have its own forum, I think that a forum for SimScale on CFD Online would be very beneficial for users to be able to compare what can be achieved with SimScale vs other tools.

I have created a discussion group for SimScale here.

Slaine, you are obviously resourseful, so why don't you create another discussion group for Cradle CFD as well? A lot of people will be grateful

[slaine]

Originally Posted by CFDfan

Slaine, you are obviously resourseful, so why don't you create another discussion group for Cradle CFD as well? A lot of people will be grateful

CFDfan, you can do this yourself. I would need to maintain the Cradle CFD group if I create it. However, I am not a user of Cradle.

You can create a social group as I did here.

[arjun]

Originally Posted by sbaffini

I actually think SimScale doesn't want one, if this is an argument at all in the decision process. And if I were in the OF community, I couldn't care less. These two arguments, alone, in my opinion, would kill it before it even starts.

Yet, again, I have no idea how this is decided.

I don't think CD Adapco , Fluent or CFX wanted forum either. I do not think it plays any role. Even if these companies want they can't stop cfd online to create a forum. Also even if they wanted to create a forum, all they can do is to request. Final decision is still with the moderator.


My read so far is that there is no process how it is decided other than if moderator wants to create one.

[jola]

We try to only open forums for topics or codes that have enough users to sustain a dedicated forum. We have been running these forums for close to 25 years now and opening forums with too few returning users will just create a mess of dead forums.

My experience is that a dedicated forum needs a minimum number of returning visitors to keep the discussions going. With dedicated support from someone with experience, who tries to answer questions on the forum, a forum can manage with about 1,000 returning visitors per months. Without any dedicated support a forum needs about 3,000 returning visitors per month to stay active. With significantly less than 1,000 returning visitors per month it will be difficult to keep a forum active, even with dedicated support.

Concerning SimScale. I just checked and in 2022 we only had 2 threads in total mentioning SimScale. And in 2021 we also only had 2 threads about SimScale. I am very hesitant if this is enough to sustain a dedicated forum. Please prove me wrong. If you are a SimScale user and want a dedicated SimScale forum on CFD Online please send us an email to webmaster@cfd-online.com.

Today SimScale has been promoting SimScale on the forums on CFD Online and have just today posted replies about SimScale to 10 different threads.

We do not allow advertising on the forums, especially when people employed by a company advertise their own codes without mentioning their affiliation.

Please also note that all of our forums are independent and they are not financially supported by any company. Companies also do not have any moderation privileges on the forums.