CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > General Forums > Main CFD Forum

second derivative temperature boundary condition in outlet

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Like Tree1Likes
  • 1 Post By FMDenaro

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   September 15, 2017, 08:47
Default second derivative temperature boundary condition in outlet
  #1
Senior Member
 
mohammad
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 281
Rep Power: 12
mostanad is on a distinguished road
Hello my friends,
As we know in constant heat flux boundary condition, the fully developed BC in the outlet for temperature is grad(T)=grad(Tbulk)=grad(Twall)=constant. But I found in many papers that we can use the second derivative of temperature equal to zero in the outlet. At first, we know that this BC can be obtained by derivating from first relation. But is the second derivative well posed based on second order energy equation? or Is this BC means that grad(T)=constant not zero?
Thank you
mostanad is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   September 15, 2017, 11:18
Default
  #2
Senior Member
 
Filippo Maria Denaro
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 6,897
Rep Power: 73
FMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura about
yes, it means that n.grad T = constant along n
Goenitz likes this.
FMDenaro is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   September 15, 2017, 11:34
Default
  #3
Senior Member
 
mohammad
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 281
Rep Power: 12
mostanad is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by FMDenaro View Post
yes, it means that n.grad T = constant along n
Thanks Prof. Denaro. Is second derivative of temperature equal to zero valid in the outlet?
mostanad is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   September 15, 2017, 12:02
Default
  #4
Senior Member
 
Filippo Maria Denaro
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 6,897
Rep Power: 73
FMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by mostanad View Post
Thanks Prof. Denaro. Is second derivative of temperature equal to zero valid in the outlet?
yes, if the flow is fully developed you can assume also the second derivative of the velocity to vanish along the normal direction
FMDenaro is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   September 15, 2017, 12:23
Default
  #5
Senior Member
 
mohammad
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 281
Rep Power: 12
mostanad is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by FMDenaro View Post
yes, if the flow is fully developed you can assume also the second derivative of the velocity to vanish along the normal direction
I mean the second derivative for temperature too. If I use this BC, is my solution well-posed?
mostanad is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   September 15, 2017, 12:47
Default
  #6
Senior Member
 
Filippo Maria Denaro
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 6,897
Rep Power: 73
FMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by mostanad View Post
I mean the second derivative for temperature too. If I use this BC, is my solution well-posed?

Yes, it is a Neumann condition applied to the heat flux
FMDenaro is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   September 15, 2017, 18:07
Default
  #7
Senior Member
 
mohammad
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 281
Rep Power: 12
mostanad is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by FMDenaro View Post
Yes, it is a Neumann condition applied to the heat flux
But I think that when we have a second order differential equation we should use Bc up to one order less than the equation.so for energy equation(second order) is this rational to use zero second derivative temperature in the outlet?
mostanad is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   September 15, 2017, 18:20
Default
  #8
Senior Member
 
Filippo Maria Denaro
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 6,897
Rep Power: 73
FMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura about
You should still consider the BC in terms of the non-homogeneous Neumann type: you prescribe the first derivative equal to some function. At an outlet you don't know exactly this function but, for a developed flow condition, you are just assuming that this function is such to take constant the normal derivative.
FMDenaro is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Wind turbine simulation Saturn CFX 60 July 17, 2024 06:45
Question about heat transfer coefficient setting for CFX Anna Tian CFX 1 June 16, 2013 07:28
Error finding variable "THERMX" sunilpatil CFX 8 April 26, 2013 08:00
Water subcooled boiling Attesz CFX 7 January 5, 2013 04:32
How to set the Heat Flux boundary condition at Outlet creddy_trddc CFX 3 September 21, 2011 08:44


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 14:19.