CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > General Forums > Main CFD Forum

Unsteady Simulation Problem; Flow Around a Cricket Ball.

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Like Tree2Likes
  • 2 Post By flotus1

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   February 12, 2017, 09:10
Post Unsteady Simulation Problem; Flow Around a Cricket Ball.
  #1
New Member
 
Shaun Brock
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 8
Rep Power: 9
Brock17 is on a distinguished road
Hi everyone,

I'm an Aero Engineering student currently attempting to simulate flow over a cricket ball in an effort to gauge and measure aerodynamic side-force generated by the ball (or 'swing force' as it would be referred to in the sport).

I've attached the mesh scene for the ball model and surrounding domain. To briefly explain, theory and experimental work on cricket balls dictate that when the protruded seam is angled downward as shown (relative to the inlet, left) the ball should generate a force downward. This is because, at lower speeds, the flow on the 'seam-side' of the ball is tripped into turbulence by the seam and separates later than the uninterrupted flow along the non-seam (top) side of the ball.

I've ran the sim using unsteady RANS turbulence modelling (I appreciate the limitations of this method but it is a fundamental aspect of my research to use RANS by means of reducing the calculation expense) with an inlet velocity of 20m/s and a time step of 5E-05s.

In the earlier stages of the simulation, the output looked reasonable. Please find attached screenshots showing mean velocity and vorticity plots after 0.01seconds (a couple of flow through times over the ball geometry; diameter 0.072m). Although the force coefficient (plot also attached) varies, the result is positive which, alongside the velocity and vorticity plots, displays a result in-line with what i'm expecting. However, as the simulation continues to run, the force coefficient dives and eventually, settles and stabilises somewhat around a very small negative value (to reiterate, the result should be positive).

Forgive me if this speaks to an ignorance of how unsteady simulations work, but I'm confused as to why the flow in it's initial stages appears to be 'correct' but then changes so dramatically and stabilises at a point which isn't coherent with what i'm expecting?

Any advice would be hugely appreciated as this investigation forms a significant portion of my dissertation and cannot be continued until this is resolved.

Thanks and please don't hesitate to ask for any additional information.



PS: 1) I'm using Star CCM+.
PS: 2) I'm aware the axes in the screenshots provided aren't consistent. Misinterpreting the co-ordinate system and the direction of the force-coefficient monitor is NOT the issue.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg BallGeomtry.jpg (200.9 KB, 38 views)
File Type: jpg MeanVelocity.jpg (15.6 KB, 38 views)
File Type: jpg Vorticity.jpg (13.3 KB, 38 views)
File Type: jpg ForceCoefficient.jpg (102.4 KB, 34 views)
Brock17 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   February 12, 2017, 09:40
Default
  #2
Senior Member
 
Filippo Maria Denaro
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 6,882
Rep Power: 73
FMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura about
I don't know the details about your setting but I thing that the early stage has almost an inviscid behaviour and only after you get a physical onset of turbulence... and I don't think that URANS can be the best formulation to work with...
FMDenaro is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   February 12, 2017, 09:40
Default
  #3
Super Moderator
 
flotus1's Avatar
 
Alex
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Germany
Posts: 3,427
Rep Power: 49
flotus1 has a spectacular aura aboutflotus1 has a spectacular aura about
The result is far from being "stabilized". A more precise term would be statistically steady. So there is no point in discussing it yet.
Estimate the frequency of the largest vortices using the Strouhal number. It is ~55Hz, so the cycle time is ~0.018s. You will have to simulate at least 10-20 cycle times before you can begin to interpret the simulation results.
FMDenaro and piu58 like this.
flotus1 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   February 12, 2017, 10:22
Default
  #4
New Member
 
Shaun Brock
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 8
Rep Power: 9
Brock17 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by FMDenaro View Post
I don't know the details about your setting but I thing that the early stage has almost an inviscid behaviour and only after you get a physical onset of turbulence... and I don't think that URANS can be the best formulation to work with...
Apologies but i'm not certain I understand?

If it's any help I chose a turbulent viscous regime in my physics models.
Brock17 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   February 12, 2017, 10:39
Default
  #5
New Member
 
Shaun Brock
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 8
Rep Power: 9
Brock17 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by flotus1 View Post
The result is far from being "stabilized". A more precise term would be statistically steady. So there is no point in discussing it yet.
Estimate the frequency of the largest vortices using the Strouhal number. It is ~55Hz, so the cycle time is ~0.018s. You will have to simulate at least 10-20 cycle times before you can begin to interpret the simulation results.
Thanks for the quick reply. I'll allow my sim to run for longer and see what happens. I do, however, seem to recall allowing a similar sim to run for longer (around 0.3s from memory) and the result persisted (oscillating very slightly about a very small negative value). That sim was ran at a different inlet velocity (30m/s) but exhibited the same overall result; an initial peak in positive side-force during the initial stages followed by a reduction that persisted.

As I say, i'll let the sim run for longer and evaluate it again then, but working under the assumption the result will persist as it stands at 0.1s in my initial post (as i'd suggest it will based on my recollection of the similar sim mentioned), i'm still none the wiser as to why the trailing wake is asymmetrical, as expected, at first but then tends back towards a symmetrical pattern (or very slightly over compensated) that you would expect to see behind a standard smooth sphere? I don't understand why the flow differential either side of the ball caused by the seam is initially exhibited but then dissipates?

Once again I apologise if this speaks to a lack of knowledge of how an unsteady sim operates.

Thanks again.
Brock17 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   February 12, 2017, 11:58
Default
  #6
Senior Member
 
Filippo Maria Denaro
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 6,882
Rep Power: 73
FMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura about
First, compute the total kinetic energy into the whole domaine and plot it versus the time, that gives an idea of the development of a physical energy equilibrium as it must oscillate around an average value.
Second, I am not sure if you wanto also to simulate a transient from the rest...but to have a physical meaning in this, you need to start from a physical meaning initial condition. And still, URANS is not the suitable tool..
FMDenaro is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Issues on the simulation of high-speed compressible flow within turbomachinery dowlee OpenFOAM Running, Solving & CFD 11 August 6, 2021 07:40
problem regarding unsteady laminar flow adityanadig Main CFD Forum 2 January 20, 2017 05:21
Domain format problem on airfoil flow simulation andrenonaka CFX 14 December 7, 2015 01:42
Simulation time for unsteady gas solid flow pandaba FLUENT 1 October 14, 2010 01:04
reversed flow in unsteady simulation with dynamic mesh (fluent 12.1) zhaoyu_001 FLUENT 0 April 7, 2010 01:24


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 21:12.