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Old   February 5, 2008, 23:47
Default Regarding Negative volume detected in Dynamic mesh
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Vinay Morabad
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Hello, currently i am working on Dynamic mesh of Rotary Engine(Wankel Engine). After compiling the user defined function(UDF) in Fluent 6.3 and setting all the dynamic parameters and dynamic zones paramaters when i check the dynamic mesh motion it is giving me the message of NEGATIVE VOLUME DETECTED .i.e. dynamic mesh update failed. Even after this i varied many parameters and also i refined the mesh quality still it is giving the same error message.

CAN ANY ONE PLEASE TELL ME THE SOLUTION FOR THIS PROBLEM AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.

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Old   February 6, 2008, 02:33
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it gives you this message before or after iterating (or checking motion)? I assume it's given after checking the motion. Try to reduce your time step.

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Old   February 6, 2008, 03:56
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Thanks for your reply, I tried this option with various steps like reducing the time step as well as increasing the time step. But still i am getting the same error. What are the reasons for negative volume error. vinay
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Old   February 6, 2008, 04:05
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in my cases, I got negative volume, when dynamic zones are wrong defined, or when time step are too big Are you using Layering, smoothing, remeshing methods?
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Old   February 6, 2008, 04:11
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I am using smoothing and remeshing. I am not using layering...In my case there are two zones .i.e. trochoid (casing) inside this casing only the rotor rotates. so for rotating body i am using rigid body and for foxed casing i am using deforming option..Then can u tell me how to define cell height. As i am not able to find the cell height for the elements what i have created in GAMBIT..
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Old   February 6, 2008, 06:09
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under define/dynamic mesh/parameters in the remeshing parameters you have info about your mesh height are you sure that MDM is the right choice for your model? for rotor/stator, sliding mesh yould be better are you solving 2d/3d?
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Old   February 6, 2008, 09:56
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i am solving 2d pbm and i am sure that i have defined correct MDM for both rotor and trochoid.
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Old   February 6, 2008, 12:38
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ok I can I have a look at it if you want. you can send me an email
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Old   November 27, 2011, 09:01
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hello dear friend
can you send me your udf for motion pf wankel engine?

i have a simalr project that i want to see how can i write a udf for rotatin as an irrigular shape
me email: m.r_khani@yahoo.com
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Hi i am using a 2D simple mesh- for simulating compression stroke. I using the profile define to get the dynamic motion.. average velocity is 9m/s to max 14m/s . cell size= 0.0001m, stroke length 254mm, clearance voume 14mm. The crevice is very important part for physics in combustion. I had the crevice and body part split between two zones. the crivece zone is moving -rigid body and body as deforming.
But when i using the preview mesh motion I am getting the negative volume error. even i tried to reduce the time step to 4.1667E-8, also getting the same error

Pl tell if I can do anything to change the negative volume error
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Old   December 16, 2015, 01:31
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Hi vinay. I am currently working on a wankel profile as well. Similarly, I face the problem of negative mesh volume while trying to do a 2D simulation of the eccentric motion in fluent. So I was wondering how did you solve this issue in the end?
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