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Old   March 14, 2019, 11:01
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Hello I have written the following udf:
Code:
#include "udf.h"
#define PI 3.1415926 //Pi, a constant
#define IO 1E14 //IO, initial intensity
#define R 0.002 //R, radius of beam
#define rho_b 1050
#define wb 0.29
#define cb 3850
#define tq 0.001
DEFINE_SOURCE(top_hat,c,t,dS,eqn)
{
	real x[ND_ND],time;
	real r, source,vol;
	time=RP_Get_Real("flow-time");

	C_CENTROID(x,c,t);
	r = sqrt(pow((x[0]-0.0125),2) + pow((x[1]-0.0025),2));
	vol = (2*r*r)/(R*R);
	if (time < 6e-5)
		if (r < 0.002)
		{
			source = IO*exp(-vol);
			dS[eqn] = 0;
		}
		else
		{
			source = 0;
			dS[eqn] = 0;
		}
	else
	{
		source = 0;
		dS[eqn] = 0;
	}

	return source;
}

DEFINE_SOURCE(perfusion,c,t,dS,eqn)
{
	real physical_dt,temp_old,temp_now,T_derivative,source;
	physical_dt = RP_Get_Real("physical-time-step");
	temp_old= C_T_M1(c,t);
	temp_now=C_T(c,t);
	T_derivative=(temp_now-temp_old)/physical_dt;

	source = rho_b*wb*cb*tq*T_derivative;
	dS[eqn]=0;
}

In this code, the first source term is a gaussian heat source, while the second source term corresponds to the second term of the LHS of the following equation:


However, the results are absolutely the same, with or without the second source term.

Is there an error in the udf? Any advice would be appreciated.
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Old   March 14, 2019, 11:52
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There is either an error in your physical equations, or in how you converted these equations to code, or the effect of the second term is really too small to see.

(Below, I assume you use SI units, but that's just for notation, the conclusion does not depend on it.)

To estimate the magnitude of your first term, I look at r=0, so at the point (x,y)=(0.0125,0.0025) m. Things simplify with r=0, so your first term becomes 1E14 W/m3.

To estimate the magnitude of your second term, just put in all the constants, and it is approximately 1E3*T_derivative.

So for the two terms to be similar in size, T_derivative needs to be 1E11 K/s.
That is a very high temperature change rate.
If your temperature would increase one million kelvin per second (which is a lot), then your first term would still be 100000 times bigger. That is why you don't see any effect on the solution.
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Old   March 14, 2019, 21:46
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run your code with second source ONLY, check if it works

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Old   March 15, 2019, 01:20
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I ran the simulation without the first source term, and unfortunately there seems to be no difference whatsoever. The thermal history, with or without the second source term is the same.
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Old   March 15, 2019, 05:18
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from Ansys Fluent Customization Manual
Quote:
Important
Note that data from C_T_M1 is available only if user-defined scalars are defined. It can also
be used with adaptive time stepping.
I've never used this macro so I don't know what exactly does it mean "if user-defined scalars are defined"

try simplified version of code first
Code:
DEFINE_SOURCE(perfusion,c,t,dS,eqn)
{
	real physical_dt,temp_now,T_derivative,source;
	physical_dt = RP_Get_Real("physical-time-step");
	temp_now=C_T(c,t);
	T_derivative=(temp_now)/physical_dt;

	source = rho_b*wb*cb*tq*T_derivative;
	dS[eqn]=0;
}
it should work, if not, than check setting of your model

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Old   March 18, 2019, 10:05
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This is not working. I remove the complicated temperature term,

Code:
DEFINE_SOURCE(perfusion,c,t,dS,eqn)
{
	real physical_dt,temp_old,temp_now,T_derivative,source;
	physical_dt = RP_Get_Real("physical-time-step");
	//temp_old= C_T_M1(c,t);
	temp_now=C_T(c,t);
	T_derivative=(-temp_now)/physical_dt;

	source = rho_b*wb*cb*tq*T_derivative;
	printf("\n %g",source);
	dS[eqn]=0;
}
On the console, the value is shown to be -1.59e7, but stiill no change whatsoever to the temperature profile.

However, if I include that value as the source term itself, then there's a change in the temperature profile..

This is very vexing.
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Old   March 18, 2019, 22:21
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there is no return line in code
Code:
return source;
add it

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Oh my goodness! Thank you, it's working!

I am so embarrassed right now....
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