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Old   December 23, 2014, 04:03
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Hi
I have a very 2D Unsteady simple case without inlet or outlet boundary.


my Cp udf is:
Code:
 DEFINE_SPECIFIC_HEAT(cp_pcm_paper, T, Tref, h, yi)
 {
   real cp;
   if (T < 303.0)
      cp = 2200.;
    else if (T >= 303.0 && T <= 304.0)
      cp = 192800.;
	else 
      cp = 1400.;
   *h = cp*(T-Tref);
   return cp;
 }
problem is when the temperature of first cell reaches upper than 303 k, the residual of energy equation wont be converge.


I did this:
reduce under relaxation
reduce time step size
change energy solver method

what wrong?
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Old   December 23, 2014, 05:41
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According to the values of Cp that you have defined, it would be really unexpected if you found convergence in your case.
Whatever are you trying, you should give it another approach.
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Old   December 23, 2014, 08:34
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sorry about cp = 18880000. right cp is 192800.

my main case is modeling melting a PCM (CaCl26H2O). in above case instead air would be PCM.

Heat capacity at constant pressure, cp 1400 (liquid) - 2200 (solid)
Latent heat of fusion, L (J kg-1) 190,800

if i use PCM property instead air , that problem still there. even when i use "else if (T >= 303.0 && T <= 304.0) cp = 2201.;"
refining mesh has no effect on that problem.



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I see a lot of confusion here: if you want to simulate the melting of a substance, you have the possibility in fluent of choosing a model of "solidification & melting".
On the other hand, you have first to know the difference between Cp [kJ/kg-K] and latent heat [kJ/Kg]. You have used them as similar concept but they are completely different.
I have never simulated anything with the melting model, but I pretty sure you can set Cp of both solid and liquid phases as an UDF (or constant), and you can somehow set as well latent heat in the interface of the menu, in a similar way as you can set latent heat in the mass transfer menu in the multiphase model.
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yes i know solidification model must be use in melting simulation . in the first post, i want to test my udf with air without melting model just simple unsteady heat transfer case.
the only way to set Cp in solid or liquid is using 'DEFINE_SPECIFIC_HEAT' macro. in that macro cp is a function of temp.
do you know other way to set Cp function of liquid fraction?

in equation number 13 we have Cp= [kJ/Kg]/k + [kJ/kg-K] = [kJ/kg-K]

all paper i read have been used solidification model not multiphase model or VOF.
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pleas focus on first post.
I would be thankful if you can run that case in your PC, maybe my PC has issue.
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Hello, I need to know if Cp uses the UDF which includes the heat of fusion also, Is there any necessity to put the value of heat of fusion in the material dialogue box?
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