CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > ANSYS > FLUENT > Fluent Multiphase

Convergence Problem using RPI boiling model in a horizontal 3D tube

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Like Tree1Likes
  • 1 Post By CMIUCBS

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   November 9, 2021, 12:52
Default Convergence Problem using RPI boiling model in a horizontal 3D tube
  #1
New Member
 
Babak
Join Date: Oct 2021
Posts: 12
Rep Power: 5
CMIUCBS is on a distinguished road
Hi everyone.

I'm modeling a boiling steady state flow in a 12 m horizontal circular tube with ID=50 mm and OD=70 mm based on a papers geometry with the mass flow of 0.3 kg/s and under a Uniform heat flux and since the water enters the tube as a saturated liquid I'm using the non-eq RPI boiling model for my simulation to consider vapor convection and I have tried both K omega sst and K epsilon realizable as my turbulence model.

So far the results of the simulation for both turbulence models are near the results of the paper but the problem is my residuals are way to big to consider the simulation converged. (I have monitored few variables and they are stable)

here is a picture of my residuals for K omega sst and you can see that the residuals are not converging and fluctuating.

same thing happened when I used K-e realizable model; continuity and e were fluctuating around 1e-3 and the rest were around 1e-4.
so my question is that how can I obtain full convergence?
Thank You in advance and sorry for my bad grammar.


Attached Images
File Type: bmp Boiling Residuals.bmp (156.9 KB, 58 views)
CMIUCBS is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   September 8, 2023, 02:51
Default have you solved the issue?
  #2
New Member
 
Ankur
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 5
Rep Power: 8
h_ankur is on a distinguished road
have you solved the issue?
h_ankur is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   September 8, 2023, 14:10
Default
  #3
New Member
 
Babak
Join Date: Oct 2021
Posts: 12
Rep Power: 5
CMIUCBS is on a distinguished road
Hi.
In many complex cases like this one, the decrease in residuals is something u never gonna see.

At the end, I changed the coupled scheme to simple, used k-e model instead of k-w, adjust the URFs based on existing papers and monitored the convergence of the simulation by tracking four variables: Volume Fraction, Pressure Drop, Mass Flow Rate, and Average Wall Temperature. I considered the simulation complete once these variables reached a steady state. The residuals, were around 1e-6, except for continuity which was around 1e-3.


Hope that helps.
h_ankur likes this.
CMIUCBS is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   September 9, 2023, 06:44
Default Same geometry and boundary conditions with transient case
  #4
New Member
 
Ankur
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 5
Rep Power: 8
h_ankur is on a distinguished road
Hello,
I am trying the same geometry with transient case but I am getting reverse flow at the exit of the tube and then my solution is getting diverged. Rest all the boundary coditions are same.
Can you help me in this issue? It would be of great help.
h_ankur is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   September 9, 2023, 15:02
Default
  #5
New Member
 
Babak
Join Date: Oct 2021
Posts: 12
Rep Power: 5
CMIUCBS is on a distinguished road
I think the divergence is related to the URFs. Reduce the URFs first and then increase the transient iterations at least for the first few time steps. Or even better, run a steady case and use the solution as the initial condition.
As for the reverse flow, it will disappear after a 1-2 k iteration but since you are doing a transient simulation I suggest you add to the length of your tube. If your tube is about 5 m, add another 0.5 m and then get the results from your original 5 m. The influence of the reverse flow on your original geometry will diminish.
+ Set the reverse flow T as the saturation temperature.
CMIUCBS is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Tags
boiling flow, convergence, convergence failure, eulerian multiphase flow, rpi model


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
[swak4Foam] swakExpression not writing to log alexfells OpenFOAM Community Contributions 3 March 16, 2020 19:19
SU2-7.0.1 on ubuntu 18.04 hyunko SU2 Installation 7 March 16, 2020 05:37
refrigerant boiling inside horizontal tube Eng. A. M. Hussein FLUENT 4 April 24, 2013 13:08
Force can not converge colopolo CFX 13 October 4, 2011 23:03
Convergence problem with thermal phase change model under low velocity conditions pitisrisuk CFX 0 July 21, 2009 12:21


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:59.