CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > CONVERGE

G-Equation does not 'Ignite' mixture in H2 ICE

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Like Tree1Likes
  • 1 Post By angela.wu

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   March 20, 2024, 04:49
Default G-Equation does not 'Ignite' mixture in H2 ICE
  #1
New Member
 
Bjoern Brand
Join Date: Nov 2023
Posts: 3
Rep Power: 3
steve42 is on a distinguished road
Hello,

I am doing Simulations of a ICE Engine with Hydrogen-PFI.
I am having a problem with using the G-Equation Combustion Model in Converge 3.1.9. To be more exact, I am having a problem with the Source model.

My Settings are:
Source: Passive, G_EQN_TRANSPORT
Limit Passive: 0.00035
Value: 1e+18 J/(m^3 s)

(Taken from a Converge Example file.)

Ignition timing is set from 709° to 715°, so a duration of 6°CA for Ignition should be more than enough, as I used a Duration of 1°CA before. (CA=Crank Angle).

These Settings did work before I switched Turbulence models from RNG-k-eps to k-w-SST.

Maybe anyone has an Idea as I am running out of ideas to fix it. I do not even know where else to look in the models.
Best regards,
Bjoern

Last edited by steve42; March 20, 2024 at 06:36.
steve42 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   March 20, 2024, 10:57
Default
  #2
Member
 
Angela Wu
Join Date: Jan 2023
Posts: 49
Rep Power: 3
angela.wu is on a distinguished road
Hi Bjoern,

Please have a look at chapter 16 - Ignition approach for G-equation. What is the grid size where your source is located? With G_EQN_TRANSPORT, you should set a max passive amount that is typically 2x your local grid size. Another way to source is to add energy source instead of G that is large enough to exceed combustion temperature offset.

Best,

Angela
steve42 likes this.
__________________
__________________
Angela Wu
Research Engineer
CONVERGECFD
angela.wu is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   March 20, 2024, 11:13
Default
  #3
New Member
 
Bjoern Brand
Join Date: Nov 2023
Posts: 3
Rep Power: 3
steve42 is on a distinguished road
Hello Angela,

thank you for your kind reply. I reconfigured everything now, following the manual again. I will start the Case soon.
As you said, max. Value should be double the local grid size. I am using 0.004m Grid, but during the Sparktiming I am using embedding with level 6 and 5. So should I set it to 0.008m, as it is double the usual grid size, or should I set it to double the value of my embedding grid size (respectively 0.000625 or 0.000125)?

I already tried the energy ignition option, but my supervisor is favoring the direct sourcing of G. But if I can not fix this I will try to convince him otherwise

Thank you and best regards,
Bjoern
steve42 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   March 20, 2024, 11:57
Default
  #4
Member
 
Angela Wu
Join Date: Jan 2023
Posts: 49
Rep Power: 3
angela.wu is on a distinguished road
Hi Bjoern,

I would set it to the grid size with the level 6 embedding, and use double that value to limit G_EQN_TRANSPORT. So if it's a 4 mm base grid, 2^6 embedding around the source is 0.0625 mm, and you should try a G_EQN_TRANSPORT of 1.25e-4. However, looking at the value you used (3.25e-4), it is already larger than the recommended value. Have you tried larger passive values?

I have noticed that when switching turbulence model, it affects the G-equation combustion modeling. Is there a reason why you switched from RNG K-E to k-w sst?

Best,

Angela
__________________
__________________
Angela Wu
Research Engineer
CONVERGECFD
angela.wu is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   March 20, 2024, 17:51
Default
  #5
New Member
 
Bjoern Brand
Join Date: Nov 2023
Posts: 3
Rep Power: 3
steve42 is on a distinguished road
Hello Angela,

thank you for your kind reply. I now switched to an energy induced ignition, as it already works. I tried 0.00025, but stil got no ignition. I also tried 0.005 once, and it did not work.

I switched turbulence models as the thought process behind this is the following: H2 burns drastically more near to the walls, so to catch the wall-fluid interactions better, I switched to k-w-SST. Also other people in my institute are already using this turbulence model, so now we can better exchange data and changes between each other.

Best regards,
Bjoern
steve42 is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Tags
combustion, converge, g-equation, ice, source


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mixture model Volume fraction equation me12p1006 Main CFD Forum 0 October 1, 2013 06:37
error message cuteapathy CFX 14 March 20, 2012 07:45
mixture mass continuity eqn v.s. volumetric mixture continuity eqn kaifu ANSYS 0 June 9, 2011 09:42
Mass transfer Term in Mixture Energy Equation CFDtoy Main CFD Forum 0 July 3, 2008 17:14
Momentum equation used by mixture model George FLUENT 0 May 19, 2005 14:07


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:54.