[ICEM] 3D mesh of airfoil from 2D

TKE · October 5, 2011, 05:31

Hi everyone,

I have the following problem: I have made a 2D mesh around an airfoil. I would like to generate a 3D one, I would like to extrude it in spanwise direction with a certain length and a certain number of cells, but with the same 2D structure. As I realized, there are two ways of making it:

1) EXTRUDE
a) Convert into unstructured mesh
b) Extrude mesh. (number of cell: x, size of cells: y)

My problem: the parts (AIRFOIL_SS, AIRFOIL_PS, IN, OUT, TOP_SYMMETRY, BOTTOM_SYMMETRY) are lines. I have a 3D mesh with line element parts.
I do not know, whether it is possible to define surfaces on an unstructured mesh?
How should I define the boundary conditions on surfaces if I have an unstructured 3D mesh?

2) 3D BLOCK
a) I copy all the parts and geometry entities (points, curves) in spanwise direction.
b) I connect the curves (for example original AIRFOIL_SS with the new, translated AIRFOIL_SS_01)
b) I define the necessary surfaces:
AIRFOIL_SS, AIRFOIL_PS, IN, OUT, TOP_SYMMETRY, BOTTOM_SYMMETRY, and 2 extra with spanwise normal vector: PERIODIC_1, PERIODIC_2 (for LES).

The problem: I have surfaces, the wire frame of the body, but I have only 2D block structure, which should be kept and transformed into 3D. But I do not know how to make it?
(creating 3D blocks, doing associations again? material points?)

Probably I would prefer the 1st version, because in that case at least I have the demanded mesh itself, and only the problem is that it is unstructured and I do not know how to define the surface boundary conditions on it, as it has only curves as defined parts.

Thank you for your hints!

Regards,
TKE

BrolY · October 5, 2011, 06:17

1) When you extrude your mesh, you have to choose the name for the new volume mesh, the new side mesh and the new top mesh. Check all the option of the extrude which can be nice (specify the number of nodes on the extude curve for example). Once the extrude is done, you can create parts by adding the shells created by the extrude to your new part. And then apply the boundary conditions on the created parts.

2) About the blocking : Blocking -> Create Block -> Extrude Face and choose extrude along a curve. But you have to create the geometry of the extrude before to associate the blocks to geometry. Then associate curves etc ...

The first option would be the fastest and easiest I think.
Have fun

TKE · October 6, 2011, 06:44

Thank you for your help! It pushed me forward with my actual project.

You're my guest for a beer if you pop in Budapest once..

Regards,
TKE

TKE · October 7, 2011, 06:21

Hi,

meantime I have some problem. I recieved an error message in FLUENT with the following words:

"Build Grid: Aborted due to critical error"

"Building...
mesh
Build_Grid: no cells in case file.

I do not know the reason for this problem.
I made a 2D mesh. Converted into unstructured mesh. Extruded with the following options:
New Volume Part Name: FLUID (the same as in 2D)
New Side Part Name: inherited
New Top Part Name: inherited
I have not deleted the original elements. Can it be the source of the problem, or should I search for another reason?

Thank you for your hints!

Regards,
TKE

BrolY · October 7, 2011, 06:34

Thanks for the beer

About your extrude option, be careful with what you have done !
If you let the name of your top and side parts as "inherited", you could have issues when you export your model to fluent. Because your top part would be in the same part than your fluid part. So when you specify your Boundary Conditions (BC), it would put the same BC for your fluid and top part.
The same issue would appear for your side part which would be in the same part than the extruded part.

I don't know if what I'm saying makes sense, so here is an example : I want to mesh a cylinder with an inlet, wall, fluid and outlet parts (all of those parts would have different BC). So first, I mesh the inlet part and extrude it. If I let "inherited part" as top and side part, my inlet part would be in the same part than the wall part. And my outlet part would be in the same part than my fluid. Which is not at all what I want.

Try to change the name of those parts, redo your export and see if it works with fluent. If it doesn't, you should create another thread

October 5, 2011, 05:31	3D mesh of airfoil from 2D	#1
TKE New Member Jozsef Rideg Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 21 Rep Power: 15	Hi everyone, I have the following problem: I have made a 2D mesh around an airfoil. I would like to generate a 3D one, I would like to extrude it in spanwise direction with a certain length and a certain number of cells, but with the same 2D structure. As I realized, there are two ways of making it: 1) EXTRUDE a) Convert into unstructured mesh b) Extrude mesh. (number of cell: x, size of cells: y) My problem: the parts (AIRFOIL_SS, AIRFOIL_PS, IN, OUT, TOP_SYMMETRY, BOTTOM_SYMMETRY) are lines. I have a 3D mesh with line element parts. I do not know, whether it is possible to define surfaces on an unstructured mesh? How should I define the boundary conditions on surfaces if I have an unstructured 3D mesh? 2) 3D BLOCK a) I copy all the parts and geometry entities (points, curves) in spanwise direction. b) I connect the curves (for example original AIRFOIL_SS with the new, translated AIRFOIL_SS_01) b) I define the necessary surfaces: AIRFOIL_SS, AIRFOIL_PS, IN, OUT, TOP_SYMMETRY, BOTTOM_SYMMETRY, and 2 extra with spanwise normal vector: PERIODIC_1, PERIODIC_2 (for LES). The problem: I have surfaces, the wire frame of the body, but I have only 2D block structure, which should be kept and transformed into 3D. But I do not know how to make it? (creating 3D blocks, doing associations again? material points?) Probably I would prefer the 1st version, because in that case at least I have the demanded mesh itself, and only the problem is that it is unstructured and I do not know how to define the surface boundary conditions on it, as it has only curves as defined parts. Thank you for your hints! Regards, TKE

October 5, 2011, 06:17		#2
BrolY Senior Member AB Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: France Posts: 323 Rep Power: 22	1) When you extrude your mesh, you have to choose the name for the new volume mesh, the new side mesh and the new top mesh. Check all the option of the extrude which can be nice (specify the number of nodes on the extude curve for example). Once the extrude is done, you can create parts by adding the shells created by the extrude to your new part. And then apply the boundary conditions on the created parts. 2) About the blocking : Blocking -> Create Block -> Extrude Face and choose extrude along a curve. But you have to create the geometry of the extrude before to associate the blocks to geometry. Then associate curves etc ... The first option would be the fastest and easiest I think. Have fun TKE likes this.

October 6, 2011, 06:44	Thanks	#3
TKE New Member Jozsef Rideg Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 21 Rep Power: 15	Thank you for your help! It pushed me forward with my actual project. You're my guest for a beer if you pop in Budapest once.. Regards, TKE BrolY likes this.

October 7, 2011, 06:34		#5
BrolY Senior Member AB Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: France Posts: 323 Rep Power: 22	Thanks for the beer About your extrude option, be careful with what you have done ! If you let the name of your top and side parts as "inherited", you could have issues when you export your model to fluent. Because your top part would be in the same part than your fluid part. So when you specify your Boundary Conditions (BC), it would put the same BC for your fluid and top part. The same issue would appear for your side part which would be in the same part than the extruded part. I don't know if what I'm saying makes sense, so here is an example : I want to mesh a cylinder with an inlet, wall, fluid and outlet parts (all of those parts would have different BC). So first, I mesh the inlet part and extrude it. If I let "inherited part" as top and side part, my inlet part would be in the same part than the wall part. And my outlet part would be in the same part than my fluid. Which is not at all what I want. Try to change the name of those parts, redo your export and see if it works with fluent. If it doesn't, you should create another thread Last edited by BrolY; October 7, 2011 at 07:02.

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