CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > Siemens > STAR-CCM+

query about the "Convective Courant Number"

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   October 21, 2014, 11:56
Default query about the "Convective Courant Number"
  #1
New Member
 
Joshua Brickel
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 26
Rep Power: 13
JoshuaB is on a distinguished road
A question relating to understanding the Convective Courant Number (CCN):

I understand the number is determined locally as CCN=dt * vel / dx

I think the vel is considered normal to the face of interest. I imagine dx is taken as the cell in which the vel vector points into. Of course dt is globally set.

Now I understand that one would prefer to see the CCN<=1 as this means that that the amount of distance traveled in one time step is less than through the neighboring cell.

But what happens if the CCN>1? For example, let’s look at mass being transported. If say CCN =1.5 does that mean that half the mass ends up in the adjacent cell and half is placed two cells away (or however many required depending on the adjoining cell sizes)? That is, is the computational algorithm complex enough to take this into account? What happens if the adjacent cell is a wall? Then does the solver simply assume all the mass goes into that adjoining cell?

And if it does, then is the problems with the CCN being greater than 1 is that we lose some of the nearest cell interaction is loss as the mass from time step t to t+dt is skipping a cell? Hence the solution is not quite as accurate because some of this quantity (mass above) might have changed direction and gone into a different cell at time step t+2*dt had the CNN been <=1.

The reason I am so interested, is that I have a jet in my solution that has a fairly fast velocity but does not change much. However this region is fairly small so the capture it accurately I used a higher level of mesh in this area. I have other areas that are being affected by this fast moving flow but are moving slower and are really more of the regions of interest. Thus if I don’t sacrifice too much in accuracy I would like to increase the time step.

So I would first like to make sure I understand what is happening if the CCN goes above 1. Then I can better understand the risk I am taking.
JoshuaB is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Tags
convective courant number, numerical error, stability


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
same geometry,structured and unstructured mesh,different behaviour. sharonyue OpenFOAM Running, Solving & CFD 13 January 2, 2013 23:40
How do I monitor "cell courant number" using density-based solver? taylorfe FLUENT 0 July 17, 2012 21:07
Upgraded from Karmic Koala 9.10 to Lucid Lynx10.04.3 bookie56 OpenFOAM Installation 8 August 13, 2011 05:03
IcoFoam parallel woes msrinath80 OpenFOAM Running, Solving & CFD 9 July 22, 2007 03:58
Could anybody help me see this error and give help liugx212 OpenFOAM Running, Solving & CFD 3 January 4, 2006 19:07


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 15:54.