CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > OpenFOAM > OpenFOAM Running, Solving & CFD

Appropriate model for turbulent, steady state pipe elbow flow

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   March 21, 2009, 10:22
Default Appropriate model for turbulent, steady state pipe elbow flow
  #1
New Member
 
Milos Stanic
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Novi Sad, Serbia
Posts: 29
Rep Power: 17
milos is on a distinguished road
Hi everyone!

Ok, here's the deal: I am investigating a case of turbulent, steady state pipe elbow flow or to be more precise, pressure drops due to pipe elbows (DN 50). Now, I believe that the best solver for this kind of thing is simpleFoam, but the thing is that I don't get the appropriate stream (velocity vector) vortices in the elbow. I do get the vortices, but they start appearing after the elbow, not in the elbow as the experience tells us.

I attached an example pic named U_vortices.jpg from one science projects I found done in Fluent. Notice that the text beneath the pic says it is elbow-MIDSECTION (45 deg or half-way through the elbow). I actually used very similar parameters of the flow as in that simulation, which includes: Re around 540000, with water as a fluid (nu at 20 deg C = 1.004e-6).

Now take a look my other attachment named Stream 1.jpg , which is what I got.

Where's the catch?

My pressure BC's are:


inlet - zeroGradient
outlet - fixedValue (0)
wall - zeroGradient

My velocity BC's are:

inlet - fixedValue (10 0 0)
outlet - zeroGradient
wall - fixedValue (0 0 0)

Thanx!

Milos
Attached Images
File Type: jpg U_vortices.jpg (43.1 KB, 81 views)
File Type: jpg Stream1.jpg (69.1 KB, 84 views)
milos is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   March 24, 2009, 18:30
Default Make the images really comparable :-)
  #2
New Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 5
Rep Power: 17
gskillas is on a distinguished road
Hello Milos

could you also make a plot similar to U_vortices.jpg? I find it very hard to compare your data with the Fluent simulation... I even suspect that they might be closer than youŽd think at first glance.

Regards,

George
gskillas is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   March 25, 2009, 10:08
Default
  #3
New Member
 
Milos Stanic
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Novi Sad, Serbia
Posts: 29
Rep Power: 17
milos is on a distinguished road
Thnx for the reply George.

After several hours of roaming through ParaView I found the option that provided me with the speed intensity scalars (namely: Ux, Uy, Uz), which in addition gave me the attached photo. I guess I was really close all the time...

The thing is just that the guy, who has done the example simulation in Fluent, actually drew, as it states beneath his figure - IN-PLANE velocity VECTORS. I'm not sure whether I can do a similar thing in ParaView... Does anyone know how to do that in ParaView? The closest I got was graphing the speed component intensity as a scalar.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg vz_elbow_midsection.jpg (61.1 KB, 48 views)
milos is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   July 7, 2009, 12:09
Question
  #4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Norway
Posts: 138
Rep Power: 17
kjetil is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by milos View Post
Hi everyone!


My pressure BC's are:


inlet - zeroGradient
outlet - fixedValue (0)
wall - zeroGradient

My velocity BC's are:

inlet - fixedValue (10 0 0)
outlet - zeroGradient
wall - fixedValue (0 0 0)

Thanx!

Milos

I'm on a quest for pipe simulation myself - and would like to know what files you keep in your '0' directory for this kind of simulation? The tutorials I have been looking through all seem to use gases - and I wonder if I can simplify the setup using a fluid (water)? The problem is that my simulation using simpleFoam is very very slow, basing it upon a previous gas-case tutorial.
kjetil is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   July 9, 2009, 03:24
Default
  #5
New Member
 
Milos Stanic
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Novi Sad, Serbia
Posts: 29
Rep Power: 17
milos is on a distinguished road
I used simpleFoam solver, since it is for incompressible flows... I simply used the files from the tutorial folder.
milos is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
High speed compressible flow through pipe Munni Main CFD Forum 6 December 7, 2015 12:33
Mixture model - pipe flow Aly FLUENT 10 June 21, 2010 14:50
Steady state Inlet port flow analysis Zamir Rashid Siemens 1 May 21, 2006 12:47
About the difference between steady and unsteady problems Lisa Main CFD Forum 11 July 5, 2000 15:37
fluid flow fundas ram Main CFD Forum 5 June 17, 2000 22:31


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:35.