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Old   April 21, 2012, 21:25
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I am trying to model a simple pipe with total pressure at inlet and fixed 0 pressure at outlet. Tried various things, last one being a filleting of the edges.
Please see images. Flat face facing you is inlet,curved faces are wall and there is symmetry on the Z=0 plane.
I pasted the BCs,o refer to this post:
http://www.cfd-online.com/Forums/ope...ty-driven.html
I am attaching screenshots. I already tried smaller relaxation factors. still got huge values.


FoamFile
{
version 2.0;
format ascii;
class volScalarField;
location "0";
object nut;
}
dimensions [0 2 -1 0 0 0 0];
internalField uniform 0;
boundaryField
{
rightZmax
{
type freestream;
freestreamValue uniform 0;
}
leftZmin
{
type symmetryPlane;
}
inletXmin
{
type freestream;
freestreamValue uniform 0;
}
outletXmax
{
type calculated;
value uniform 0;
}
topYmax
{
type freestream;
freestreamValue uniform 0;
}
bottomYmin
{
type freestream;
freestreamValue uniform 0;
}
Sductface1
{
type nutkWallFunction;
value uniform 0;
}
Sductface2
{
type nutkWallFunction;
value uniform 0;
}
SDuctInlet
{
type calculated;
value uniform 0;
}
SDuctOutlet
{
type calculated;
value uniform 0;
}
Sductface5
{
type nutkWallFunction;
value uniform 0;
}
Sductface6
{
type nutkWallFunction;
value uniform 0;
}
Sductface7
{
type nutkWallFunction;
value uniform 0;
}
Sductface8
{
type nutkWallFunction;
value uniform 0;
}
}






FoamFile
{
version 2.0;
format ascii;
class volScalarField;
object k;
}
dimensions [0 2 -2 0 0 0 0];
internalField uniform 0.240000;
boundaryField
{
outletXmax
{
type inletOutlet;
inletValue $internalField;
value $internalField;
}
inletXmin
{
type freestream;
freestreamValue uniform 0.240000;
}
bottomYmin
{
type freestream;
freestreamValue uniform 0.240000;
}
topYmax
{
type freestream;
freestreamValue uniform 0.240000;
}
leftZmin
{
type symmetryPlane;
}
rightZmax
{
type freestream;
freestreamValue uniform 0.240000;
}
Sductface1
{
type kqRWallFunction;
value $internalField;
}
Sductface2
{
type kqRWallFunction;
value $internalField;
}
SDuctInlet
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform 0.240000;
}
SDuctOutlet
{
type zeroGradient;
}
Sductface5
{
type kqRWallFunction;
value $internalField;
}
Sductface6
{
type kqRWallFunction;
value $internalField;
}
Sductface7
{
type kqRWallFunction;
value $internalField;
}
Sductface8
{
type kqRWallFunction;
value $internalField;
}
}





FoamFile
{
version 2.0;
format ascii;
class volVectorField;
location "0";
object U;
}
dimensions [0 1 -1 0 0 0 0];
internalField uniform (0.000000 0.000000 0.000000);
boundaryField
{
inletXmin
{
type freestream;
freestreamValue uniform (0.000000 0.000000 0.000000);
}
outletXmax
{
type inletOutlet;
inletValue $internalField;
value $internalField;
}
bottomYmin
{
type freestream;
freestreamValue uniform (0.000000 0.000000 0.000000);
}
topYmax
{
type freestream;
freestreamValue uniform (0.000000 0.000000 0.000000);
}
rightZmax
{
type freestream;
freestreamValue uniform (0.000000 0.000000 0.000000);
}
leftZmin
{
type symmetryPlane;
}
Sductface1
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0 0 0);
}
Sductface2
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0 0 0);
}
SDuctInlet
{
type zeroGradient;
}
SDuctOutlet
{
type zeroGradient;
}
Sductface5
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0 0 0);
}
Sductface6
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0 0 0);
}
Sductface7
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0 0 0);
}
Sductface8
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0 0 0);
}
}


FoamFile
{
version 2.0;
format ascii;
class volScalarField;
object omega;
}
dimensions [0 0 -1 0 0 0 0];
internalField uniform 1.780000;
boundaryField
{
inletXmin
{
type freestream;
freestreamValue uniform 1.780000;
}
outletXmax
{
type inletOutlet;
inletValue $internalField;
value $internalField;
}
bottomYmin
{
type freestream;
freestreamValue uniform 1.780000;
}
topYmax
{
type freestream;
freestreamValue uniform 1.780000;
}
leftZmin
{
type symmetryPlane;
}
rightZmax
{
type freestream;
freestreamValue uniform 1.780000;
}
Sductface1
{
type omegaWallFunction;
value $internalField;
}
Sductface2
{
type omegaWallFunction;
value $internalField;
}
SDuctInlet
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform 1.780000;
}
SDuctOutlet
{
type zeroGradient;
}
Sductface5
{
type omegaWallFunction;
value $internalField;
}
Sductface6
{
type omegaWallFunction;
value $internalField;
}
Sductface7
{
type omegaWallFunction;
value $internalField;
}
Sductface8
{
type omegaWallFunction;
value $internalField;
}
}




FoamFile
{
version 2.0;
format ascii;
class volScalarField;
object p;
}
dimensions [0 2 -2 0 0 0 0];
internalField uniform 0.000000;
boundaryField
{
inletXmin
{
type freestreamPressure;
freestreamValue 0.000000;
}
outletXmax
{
type fixedValue;
value $internalField;
}
bottomYmin
{
type freestreamPressure;
freestreamValue 0.000000;
}
topYmax
{
type freestreamPressure;
freestreamValue 0.000000;
}
leftZmin
{
type symmetryPlane;
}
rightZmax
{
type freestreamPressure;
freestreamValue 0.000000;
}
Sductface1
{
type zeroGradient;
}
Sductface2
{
type zeroGradient;
}
SDuctInlet
{
type totalPressure;
gamma 1.4;
p0 uniform 100000.000000;
}
SDuctOutlet
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform 0.000000;
}
Sductface5
{
type zeroGradient;
}
Sductface6
{
type zeroGradient;
}
Sductface7
{
type zeroGradient;
}
Sductface8
{
type zeroGradient;
}
}



FoamFile
{
version 2.0;
format ascii;
class dictionary;
object fvSolution;
}
solvers
{
p
{
solver GAMG;
tolerance 1e-7;
relTol 0.1;
smoother GaussSeidel;
nPreSweeps 0;
nPostSweeps 2;
cacheAgglomeration on;
agglomerator faceAreaPair;
nCellsInCoarsestLevel 10;
mergeLevels 1;
}
U
{
solver smoothSolver;
smoother GaussSeidel;
tolerance 1e-8;
relTol 0.1;
nSweeps 1;
}
k
{
solver smoothSolver;
smoother GaussSeidel;
tolerance 1e-8;
relTol 0.1;
nSweeps 1;
}
omega
{
solver smoothSolver;
smoother GaussSeidel;
tolerance 1e-8;
relTol 0.1;
nSweeps 1;
}
}
SIMPLE
{
nNonOrthogonalCorrectors 0;
pRefCell 0;
pRefValue 0;
residualControl
{
p 1e-5;
U 1e-5;
k 1e-5;
omega 1e-5;
}
}
potentialFlow
{
nNonOrthogonalCorrectors 10;
pRefCell 0;
pRefValue 0;
}
relaxationFactors
{
p 0.3;
U 0.7;
k 0.7;
omega 0.7;
}
cache
{
grad(U);
}
Attached Images
File Type: png sductissue.png (37.0 KB, 42 views)
File Type: png sductissuedgese.png (46.9 KB, 34 views)
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Old   April 22, 2012, 03:34
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At a first sight, there could be something wrong in a group of cells (the red area). What discretization schemes are you using? If you have problematic cells, turn limiters on to see if the situation improves.
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Old   April 23, 2012, 15:17
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well, this is what i have in my fv schemes, copied from the motorbike tutorial.
will this work for internal flows as well? My solution seems to blow up only when I try to specify inlet pressure.

FoamFile
{
version 2.0;
format ascii;
class dictionary;
object fvSchemes;
}
ddtSchemes
{
default steadyState;
}
gradSchemes
{
default Gauss linear;
}
divSchemes
{
default none;
div(phi,U) Gauss linearUpwindV grad(U);
div(phi,k) Gauss upwind;
div(phi,omega) Gauss upwind;
div((nuEff*dev(T(grad(U))))) Gauss linear;
}
laplacianSchemes
{
default Gauss linear corrected;
}
interpolationSchemes
{
default linear;
}
snGradSchemes
{
default corrected;
}
fluxRequired
{
default no;
p;
}
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Yes, but it might help to put a limiter on the gradients too:

Code:
gradSchemes
{
     default         cellLimited Gauss linear 1;
}
Also, check your mesh to see if there are very skewed cells (checkMesh will tell you).
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Thanks for the suggestions. checkmesh returned all clear.
hmm, my numbers are too big too....been focused on the numerics didn't bother to check Bernoulli. 100000 deltap/rho gives supersonic velocity...and I was using simpleFoam....gonna try with 10000 instead.
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thanks Alberto, the cell limiter helped prevent the values from attaining huge values.
However, I discovered another issue with my patches, which I fixed and I am hoping the simulation will run properly without limiters.
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