CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > General Forums > Main CFD Forum

CFL condition: can a mass balance problem arise if violated?

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   August 21, 2011, 11:52
Default CFL condition: can a mass balance problem arise if violated?
  #1
New Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 28
Rep Power: 16
bzz77 is on a distinguished road
I'm a newbie to fluid dynamics. I'm trying to figure out the source of some strange results in code that I wrote for tracking concentrations during advection/diffusion.

If there is a problem with the time step I use (i.e., if the time step violates the CFL condition), could that lead to mass balance problems?
bzz77 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   August 22, 2011, 12:37
Default your question is not easy to answer
  #2
Member
 
Wu Jian
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Poitiers
Posts: 33
Rep Power: 17
harbinyg is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to harbinyg
according to my experimence,

if you violate the CFL condition , you could not get the convergent solution

however, it is not easy to define accurately the CFL condition for most numerical methods

and even if you know the CFL condition, people would use a safety factor;

best wishes
harbinyg is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   August 23, 2011, 04:12
Default
  #3
New Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 28
Rep Power: 16
bzz77 is on a distinguished road
Thanks a lot.
bzz77 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   August 24, 2011, 16:12
Default
  #4
Senior Member
 
cfdnewbie
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 557
Rep Power: 20
cfdnewbie is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by bzz77 View Post
I'm a newbie to fluid dynamics. I'm trying to figure out the source of some strange results in code that I wrote for tracking concentrations during advection/diffusion.

If there is a problem with the time step I use (i.e., if the time step violates the CFL condition), could that lead to mass balance problems?

Hm, typically, if you violate the CFL condition by a considerable amount, your code blows up.... it might however be that you are dancing around the permittable CFL number, and your code is somewhat semi-stable....that might indeed lead to an mass balance problem....however, that's just a theory....

try the following: take half of your CFL an rerun your code. if the problem persists, you can rule out the time step. What kind of scheme are you using? FV?

Post back here if you need any more help!

Cheers!
cfdnewbie is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Tags
advection-diffusion, cfl condition, cfl number


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
CFL Condition Matt Umbel Main CFD Forum 19 June 30, 2020 09:20
mass transfer coefficient for boundary condition niek Main CFD Forum 0 March 29, 2011 06:33
mass balance problem in transient simulation nana84 CFX 2 April 15, 2010 20:53
CFL condition Sergei Main CFD Forum 2 October 13, 2004 16:38
OutletBoundary Condition Causes Mass Imbalance Andy Main CFD Forum 0 March 11, 2004 15:05


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 16:46.