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November 12, 2024, 10:32 |
SIMPLE algorithm under-relaxation
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Panagiotis Iatrou
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I have made an incompressible FVM 2D Navier Stokes solver using the SIMPLE algorithm on a colocated grid. I am using Gauss seidel as the solver. I am trying to implement under-relaxation to it. My sources are Fluid Mechanics 101's video on implicit under-relaxation and Versteeg and Malalasekera's book on FVM. For my benchamrk problem I have a plain lid-driven cavity. Under-relaxation Regarding the under-relaxation, I am applying it: Implicitly in the momentum equations in the following way:
Explicitly in the pressure field right after solving the pressure correction equation in the following way: Code:
p_new = p_old + p_relaxation_factor * p_correction Is this the right approach to implement implicit under-relaxation to the SIMPLE algorithm? Am I missing some other stuff? I honestly don't understand why there is so much confusion regarding this topic with so much wrong information spread throughout the internet. Confusion 1 My confusion lies in the term v_old. From my understanding of under-relaxation as a technique v_old refers to the old value of velocity, in another way, the previous value of velocity. In the context of the SIMPLE algorithm, where we have both outer and inner iterations, v_old would refer to the inner iterations since this is where the Gauss seidel takes place. Though, by doing it this way I am diverging really fast. What I noticed is that if instead of adding the term (1 - v_relaxation_factor) * a_P * v_old to the source term when solving the equation, I add this term right after the momentum coefficient generation and thus keeping this "extra source" constant throughout the inner iterations, my code is suddenly converging. Thus, in this case, v_old refers to the starting velocity value, or in other words the value at the outer iteration right before even starting to solve the momentum equations. On a deeper search, I noticed that this is exactly what a lot of people on the internet do in their codes. Is this indeed the correct approach and if so why? My knowledge is that under-relaxing the Gauss seidel algorithm includes using old values from the previous iterations, not just using the starting value. Confusion 2 Even in the case I am managing to converge, by doing what I explained in the Confusion 1 part, I am getting something weird regarding mass imbalance. While monitoring the global mass imbalance (RMS of the divergence of each node before and after correcting the velocities) , it seems that it is getting lower and lower with each iteration as expected. My confusion lies on the fact that in each outer iteration when I am calculating the global mass imbalance there are always some individual cells that end up getting their mass imbalance increased. Is this normal behaviour? Are they increasing their mass imbalance for the greater good of the global mass imbalance or is this something that should not be happening at all and mass imbalance should be getting lower and lower within each outer iteration in every cell? Thanks for your attention! Last edited by panagiat; November 12, 2024 at 18:22. |
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November 25, 2024, 04:35 |
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Nguyễn Xuân Ánh
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I think you should use staggered grid and central interpolation scheme to solve your problem, then convergence problems will be solved.
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November 28, 2024, 05:53 |
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Ambrose Rice
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Can you share some results or comparisons of the solution with and without under-relaxation, to demonstrate its effectiveness in improving the stability and convergence of the solution?
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November 30, 2024, 00:14 |
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Nguyễn Xuân Ánh
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You have to solve the discrete Navi Stock equation to calculate the velocity u, v at time t+1 from the initial values, then you will put u, v at time t+1 just calculated into the simple algorithm to calculate the adjusted pressure, the adjusted velocity of that time t+1 is suitable for convergence. After convergence, u, v of that time t+1 will become the initial value to calculate u, v at t+2
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gauss seidel, simple algorithm, under-relaxation |
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