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Old   September 28, 2015, 02:20
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Dear Community,

I'm studying projection methods.
I saw some papers mentioned some second order methods (e.g., J. B. Bell, P. Colella, and H. M. Glaz. J. Comp. Phys., 85(2):257{283, 1989) have commutator error if boundary condition is not periodic, because the projection operator and the laplacian don't commute.

1. Does Bell etal's method still have commutator error on staggered grid?
2. Does this error decreases with time step size?
3. Is Chorin's first order method (on staggered grid) also have this kind commutator error?
4. Can anyone recommend some paper talking about this kind of error?

Thanks in advance.

Adam

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Dear Community,

I'm studying projection methods.
I saw some papers mentioned some second order methods (e.g., J. B. Bell, P. Colella, and H. M. Glaz. J. Comp. Phys., 85(2):257{283, 1989) have commutator error if boundary condition is not periodic, because the projection operator and the laplacian don't commute.

1. Does Bell etal's method still have commutator error on staggered grid?
2. Does this error decreases with time step size?
3. Is Chorin's first order method (on staggered grid) also have this kind commutator error?
4. Can anyone recommend some paper talking about this kind of error?

Thanks in advance.

Adam

The commutator error does not depend on the type of grid, it is a more general "mathematical" issue.
Some years ago I published a couple of paper that analyzed these topics, you can find them on IJNMF
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The commutator error does not depend on the type of grid, it is a more general "mathematical" issue.
Some years ago I published a couple of paper that analyzed these topics, you can find them on IJNMF
Dear Prof. Denaro,

Thanks a lot for your answer.
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