CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > General Forums > Main CFD Forum

Negative propulsive efficiency of a moving airfoil

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   March 3, 2007, 07:09
Default Negative propulsive efficiency of a moving airfoil
  #1
zonexo
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Hi,

I'm doing my simulation on moving airfoil. I found that for some configuration, I got negative propulsive efficiency. Is that possible?

Power input is defined as the energy required to move the airfoil. I've got a positive value.

Power output is defined as Thrust * free flow velocity. In these cases, drag was mostly generated instead of thrust, hence resulting in the average Power output over 1 cycle negative.

I also wonder if there's something wrong with my solver instead, ie such results are definitely wrong...

Btw, I'm using a cambered airfoil. Previous test with naca0012 resulted in only postive efficiency.
  Reply With Quote

Old   March 3, 2007, 13:05
Default Re: Negative propulsive efficiency of a moving air
  #2
H
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
are you using the relative velocty of your moving arifoil?

  Reply With Quote

Old   March 4, 2007, 07:59
Default Re: Negative propulsive efficiency of a moving air
  #3
zonexo
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
what do you mean? The energy required to move the airfoil was given by P(in)=-lift force* dh/dt - Moment* d(theta)/dt

where dh/dt is the absolute up/down velocity of the airfoil.

P(out)= thrust*absolute free flow velocity, which is 1 in this case

thank you.
  Reply With Quote

Old   March 6, 2007, 09:33
Default Re: Negative propulsive efficiency of a moving air
  #4
Mani
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
The way the propulsive efficiency is defined, there is nothing fundamentally wrong with a negative value. It simply means you create negative thrust (or drag). If you think this shouldn't be the case, check on the motion you are assigning (is it backwards?) and compare the flow solution with your previous solution on the symmetric airfoil. Anyway, it's very possible to create negative thrust, and hence, negative propulsive efficiency, as any hummingbird can tell you.
  Reply With Quote

Old   March 7, 2007, 01:16
Default Re: Negative propulsive efficiency of a moving air
  #5
zonexo
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Thanks everybody. I found that I've made some mistakes in the motion, which resulted in drag being produced most of the times. In the correct motion, thrust is generated ;-). However, as what Mani says, it's definitely possible, based on the definition.

  Reply With Quote

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
channelFoam for a 3D pipe AlmostSurelyRob OpenFOAM 3 June 24, 2011 14:06
[blockMesh] BlockMesh FOAM warning gaottino OpenFOAM Meshing & Mesh Conversion 7 July 19, 2010 15:11
Airfoil simulation using moving wall Alejandro Fidelity CFD 9 November 4, 2008 03:00
[blockMesh] Axisymmetrical mesh Rasmus Gjesing (Gjesing) OpenFOAM Meshing & Mesh Conversion 10 April 2, 2007 15:00
Simulating an airfoil using a moving boundary Alejandro CFX 4 January 27, 2007 13:03


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 13:24.