CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > ANSYS > FLUENT

supersonic flow in extrem vacuum

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   July 27, 2004, 13:10
Default supersonic flow in extrem vacuum
  #1
Ali Khan
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Dear Fluent users,

I have recently started using Fluent. I am trying to model supersonic jet through convergent-divergent nozzle into a vacuum chamber at 1E-06 atmosphere. The inlet pressure is 10 bar of helium and I have tried both pressure outlet and pressure-far-field boundary conditions. The model converges fine when the outlet either boundary conditions are at 1 atmosphere, but the flow diverges as soon as the pressure in the oulet boundary is reduced. The model sover utilised is coupled, implicit, axisymmetric, and the viscous model uses k-epsilon RNG option.

*My questions is, What I am attempting is right?

*if any one has attempted similar problem of this kind with any success, and if so please your help will be most appreciated.

*If no, is fluent capable of handling this extrem pressure difference. i.e. is the algorithm valid in vacuum environment.

Thank you for your time and effort.
  Reply With Quote

Old   July 27, 2004, 17:36
Default Re: supersonic flow in extrem vacuum
  #2
wxl
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
I think 1E-06 atmosphere is too low for NS equations to work.
  Reply With Quote

Old   July 28, 2004, 05:06
Default Re: supersonic flow in extrem vacuum
  #3
laika
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
wxl is probably right!

You have to work out the Knudsen number for your flow. If it is in the order of magnitude of 1, NS is not valid anymore. It must be a very small number...

Kn = lambda/L

lambda=mean free path of the molecules L=characteristic length of geometry

Has anyone an idea of the mean free path for molecules in air at 1E-6 atm ? Someone with good knowledge of kinetic gas theory?

I'm curious to know what the pressure-limit is to use NS for normal air at normal temperatures.

Laika, still orbiting
  Reply With Quote

Old   July 28, 2004, 07:56
Default Re: supersonic flow in extrem vacuum
  #4
Ali Khan
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
laika, I think you are right.

For Navier-Stokes algorithm to work the Knudsen number has to be less than or equal to 1e-03. For helium at 1e-6 atmospher I calculate the Knudsen number to be 0.2615, which is well beyond the scope.

Thank you for your help
  Reply With Quote

Old   July 28, 2004, 15:01
Default Re: supersonic flow in extrem vacuum
  #5
wxl
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Ali Khan, where did you read the criterior of Kn<0.001 for NS to work? If you use the slip wall correction, i guess you can push Kn to larger number.

laika, the mean free path for air at 1e-6 atm is about 66 mm at room temperature.
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Modifying the "Transonic Flow over an Airfoil" tutorial for supersonic flow? darrenn STAR-CCM+ 3 November 15, 2021 17:52
Liquid Jet into Supersonic Flow Alex CFX 4 June 20, 2007 11:56
Modeling Bleed in Supersonic Flow Mohd Yousuf Ali FLUENT 0 March 17, 2007 04:51
problem in initializing the flow for supersonic jon william FLUENT 0 October 30, 2006 09:16
Inviscid Drag at subsonic, subcritical Mach # Axel Rohde Main CFD Forum 1 November 19, 2001 13:19


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 13:02.