CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > ANSYS > FLUENT

Help needed with 2D Cl AoA results

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   December 14, 2020, 00:14
Default Help needed with 2D Cl AoA results
  #1
New Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2020
Posts: 3
Rep Power: 5
Avraham is on a distinguished road
Hi everybody, I am new to this site and this is my first post here.

I have been doing the Cornell University Tutorials regarding 2D Fluent steady state turbulance analysis of a NACA airfoil and using the Ansys student workbench package.

All settings are as per tutorial; Mesh quality, Convergence quality, Velocity, input and output expressions etc...

My question is related to the Cl readings...

As my AoA is increased beyond 10degree the Cl reading keeps increasing when it should actually be decreasing... Can somebody please tell me what am I missing here?!

The Velocity_Inlet direction is fixed in X direction and I am augmenting the AoA of the airfoil via design point table input.

The output data for Lift Drag Cl Cd and moment are aligned with NASA results, however as the AoA is increased I am not seeing any falloff of the Cl?! What could be the cause of this?

Appreciate any help here, thanks....
Avraham is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 17, 2020, 14:56
Default
  #2
Senior Member
 
Lorenzo Galieti
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 375
Rep Power: 12
LoGaL is on a distinguished road
which turbulence model did you choose?
LoGaL is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 18, 2020, 22:45
Default
  #3
New Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2020
Posts: 3
Rep Power: 5
Avraham is on a distinguished road
Thanks for the response!

I have tried a few turbulence models - K-epsilon, K-omega, Spalart Allmaras (SST)... they all converge and provide similar results; Spalart Allmaras demonstrates boundary layer separation best, and my Y+ is currently at 35... None of the turbulence models demonstrate a fall-off of Cl with increased AoA.. I am thinking to try meshing in ICEM to get the Y+ to below 1
Avraham is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 20, 2020, 06:42
Default
  #4
Senior Member
 
Lorenzo Galieti
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 375
Rep Power: 12
LoGaL is on a distinguished road
So wait, do you have tetra grid with Y+=30 around the airfoil? If you want to predict stall, that is garbage, if you ask me
Are you at least using inflation layers? If yes, why dont' you set the first layer height to get y+ = 1 and use K-omega SST? And, by the way, since you speak about NASA results, i presume this is a standard naca airfoil, so you can fit a lot of inflation layers around the airfoil (30-40)

And Spalart Almaras SST does not exist man, either it is Spalart Almaras or K-omega SST. The former is bad to predict stall, the latter requires Y+ = 1. Anyhow my call is to improve your mesh, I can confirm it if you posyt a picture of it
LoGaL is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 25, 2020, 03:59
Default
  #5
New Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2020
Posts: 3
Rep Power: 5
Avraham is on a distinguished road
Thanks for the feedback LoGal... Yes, was K-Omega SST and Spalart Almaras... I will follow your advice and use inflation layer correctly at Y+1 and see what happens and post the results... Should I leave Energy option checked or unchecked for this kind of analysis? ��
Avraham is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 25, 2020, 06:29
Default
  #6
Senior Member
 
Lorenzo Galieti
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 375
Rep Power: 12
LoGaL is on a distinguished road
Hi Avraham, depends if your flow is compressible or not, which in turn depends on the mach number of the flow. Just leave it on anyways, it won't harm
BTw, you are not showing me a pic of the mesh
LoGaL is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Tags
coefficient of lift, fluent, turbulance


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
bad heat transfer results with low y+ me45 OpenFOAM Running, Solving & CFD 0 April 29, 2020 12:56
Airfoil Coefficient of Lift and Drag - Published Data vs CFD Results Mick2450 CFX 4 April 23, 2020 20:18
Error Interpolating Results onto New Mesh nammeh CFX 1 March 26, 2019 13:08
Save Results automatically by APDL Command ansyxyz ANSYS 1 June 5, 2018 09:16
Creating a tool to interpolate results Luis Batista OpenFOAM Running, Solving & CFD 2 April 11, 2013 09:15


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 18:06.