CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > ANSYS > FLUENT

Convergence

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   April 4, 2020, 15:12
Default Convergence
  #1
New Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 26
Rep Power: 6
Franke is on a distinguished road
Hello,

I am running a multiphase VoF simulation in a very large domain, I have subtracted the shape of my body from this domain and am interested in the drag forces experienced by the subtracted body, it has been split using symmetry. I am using the turbulence model and open channel flow with velocity-inlet and pressure outlet.

I am running the transient simulations however my residuals are not converging to a particularly high degree and the drag results are continuing to fluctuate... this is using a time step of 0.005s and after 6.5seconds and over 3500 iterations... is this expected or a sign of something wrong?

Does anyone have any suggestions as how to improve this? It is for a deadline and i am now becoming very short on time as i have a total of 3 simulations to run.

Thanks in advance!
Franke is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 6, 2020, 07:50
Default VoF
  #2
Senior Member
 
vinerm's Avatar
 
Vinerm
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Nederland
Posts: 2,946
Blog Entries: 1
Rep Power: 36
vinerm will become famous soon enough
For a transient, VOF simulation, drag value will always oscillate depending upon the oscillations in the free-surface. Furthermore, you also need to decide about the reference values. If you are comparing against some available data, then you need to use similar reference values. However, if that is not the case, I'd suggest determining the ratio between drag force (not coefficient) on the submerged portion to that on the portion in the air. If the ratio is >> 1, then you can neglect the region above the water line, use properties of water and freestream velocity of water to determine the coefficient. Use only submerged area. And while reporting, report these values along with the coefficient for clarity. Since values are always oscillating, you have to use a time-averaged value.
__________________
Regards,
Vinerm

PM to be used if and only if you do not want something to be shared publicly. PM is considered to be of the least priority.
vinerm is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 6, 2020, 11:25
Default
  #3
New Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 26
Rep Power: 6
Franke is on a distinguished road
Thanks, should the residuals be decreasing though? as when i run it through they tend to either remain similar all the way or even increase sometimes..

Is there a standard acceptable value for how close the results have to become? For example the percentage difference between this? I have tried to find some literature on this but no luck so far
Franke is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 6, 2020, 11:29
Default Residuals
  #4
Senior Member
 
vinerm's Avatar
 
Vinerm
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Nederland
Posts: 2,946
Blog Entries: 1
Rep Power: 36
vinerm will become famous soon enough
The values for the residuals should be much smaller than the absolute values for the fields, e.g., if velocity is of the order of 1 m/s, then residuals should be of the order of 0.001. Do note that the residuals are usually normalized and, even scaled. So, don't look at the residuals alone. If those are stalling, you can try change the gradient limiter from default to cell-to-cell under Solution Controls > Advanced.
__________________
Regards,
Vinerm

PM to be used if and only if you do not want something to be shared publicly. PM is considered to be of the least priority.
vinerm is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 6, 2020, 17:52
Default
  #5
New Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 26
Rep Power: 6
Franke is on a distinguished road
Hi,
could you advise me on how to seperate air and water drag forces?
thanks
Franke is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Tags
convergence, drag forces, fluent, multiphase, time-step


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Convergence Centurion2011 FLUENT 48 June 15, 2022 00:29
In the case of convergence aja1345 FLUENT 1 July 31, 2015 04:58
Force can not converge colopolo CFX 13 October 4, 2011 23:03
Convergence of CFX field in FSI analysis nasdak CFX 2 June 29, 2009 02:17
Defect correction and convergence ganesh Main CFD Forum 4 June 30, 2006 15:20


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:39.