CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > ANSYS > FLUENT

species transport model simulating chemical reaction

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   April 9, 2013, 05:26
Default species transport model simulating chemical reaction
  #1
Member
 
ben
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 36
Rep Power: 13
richard ben is on a distinguished road
Hi everyone,

I am using the species transport model to simulate a chemical reaction.

First, I use the non-reactive simulation and it is converged,

then I enable the species transport model to simulate the reactive flow, however

it iterates only once and is converged. I check the quantity of the product, and its order of magnitude is -10 or less. I have no idea how to set up any other parameters.

I have no idea whether I make myself understood. And I will appreciate a lot for your help.
Attached Images
File Type: png QQ??20130409155702.png (3.4 KB, 24 views)
File Type: png QQ??20130409155650.png (5.9 KB, 27 views)
richard ben is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 9, 2013, 09:02
Default
  #2
Senior Member
 
Astio Lamar
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Pipe
Posts: 186
Rep Power: 14
asal is on a distinguished road
Hi!

If I understand your question correctly, you have to check the Solution => Monitor, Edit the residuals and reduce the convergence criteria or un-check it. your residuals are fall below to the set criteria!
asal is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 9, 2013, 10:12
Default
  #3
Member
 
ben
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 36
Rep Power: 13
richard ben is on a distinguished road
hi asal,

thank you very much for your reply. i think the preoblem is : before any products produced, the iteration is converged. the reactive simulation only iterated once. the iteration shown in the above picture is due to the non-reactive simulation. so do i make myself understood? can you give my more advice?

thank you again
richard ben is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 9, 2013, 10:56
Default
  #4
Senior Member
 
Astio Lamar
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Pipe
Posts: 186
Rep Power: 14
asal is on a distinguished road
Hi!

Do you check the monitor residuals which I mentioned before?!
When you want to simulate the reactive flow, some residuals will added to the residuals criteria list to control the convergence. for instance you had one more residuals for NOx. Since your residuals fall below to the predefined number in the residuals criteria, after one iteration, you run stop due to achieving converge solution.
asal is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 9, 2013, 11:09
Default
  #5
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 31
Rep Power: 13
cinwendy is on a distinguished road
Hi!

What Richard encountered was what I encountered before. At the end I didn't look at residual when I am dealing with reactive species AFTER I have the flow field calculated. I set up other monitor and monitor it seperately, and then decide when to stop calculation.

Does this helps?
cinwendy is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 9, 2013, 11:27
Default
  #6
Member
 
ben
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 36
Rep Power: 13
richard ben is on a distinguished road
Hey, asal,

I appreciate your reply a lot. I did try to reduce the residuals, and it iterated more steps. However I didn't get the correct result. Since after it was converged, I check the quantity of the producta again and their order of magnitude were the same.

I think the problem might some of the inputs. Since I changed the rate exponent in the reaction dialog box, the result is acceptable. I don't how to input some of the parameters: the rate exponent and temperature exponent.

It might be helpful that I write the reactions:

NiFe2O4 ----> NiO + 2 FeO +1/2 O2

NiO + 2 FeO + H2O ----> NiFe2O4 + H2

They are wall surface reactions
richard ben is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 9, 2013, 11:52
Default
  #7
Member
 
ben
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 36
Rep Power: 13
richard ben is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by cinwendy View Post
Hi!

What Richard encountered was what I encountered before. At the end I didn't look at residual when I am dealing with reactive species AFTER I have the flow field calculated. I set up other monitor and monitor it seperately, and then decide when to stop calculation.

Does this helps?
Hey, cinwendy,

Thank you for your help. I didn't get you. What other monitors did you set?
richard ben is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 9, 2013, 12:42
Default
  #8
Member
 
ben
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 36
Rep Power: 13
richard ben is on a distinguished road
Hey, asal,

I am sure the problem is the rate exponent. Since I tried different rate exponents and got different results.

The rate exponent of NiFe2O4 is 1 and if I change it, no result.

I am not sure what are the rate exponents of NiO, FeO and H2O, but not stoichimetric coeeficient. I don't know how to calculate them. Do you?
richard ben is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 10, 2013, 02:06
Default
  #9
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 31
Rep Power: 13
cinwendy is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard ben View Post
Hey, cinwendy,

Thank you for your help. I didn't get you. What other monitors did you set?
Opps, sorry for not explaining clearly enough.

I set up volume monitor for the reactive species. I still let the residual to be monitored but uncheck the convergence ctiretia. So I manually stop the calculation when the volume monitor of the species has reached steady value.

Currently I still do this manually, I couldn't find a way to make it a "convergence criteria" to stop iteration like the residue.
cinwendy is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 10, 2013, 09:57
Default
  #10
Member
 
ben
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 36
Rep Power: 13
richard ben is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by cinwendy View Post
Opps, sorry for not explaining clearly enough.

I set up volume monitor for the reactive species. I still let the residual to be monitored but uncheck the convergence ctiretia. So I manually stop the calculation when the volume monitor of the species has reached steady value.

Currently I still do this manually, I couldn't find a way to make it a "convergence criteria" to stop iteration like the residue.
I solved my problem by setting the correct rate exponent of the reactants.
Maybe you can try.
richard ben is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Species transport model problem argeus FLUENT 8 September 20, 2019 08:23
Divergence problem for species transport model MY FLUENT 3 January 11, 2014 05:46
chemical reaction and species transfer Ahmed FLUENT 3 May 1, 2007 11:43
3D species transport model - 1 co2 FLUENT 1 April 23, 2004 05:20
help about chemical reaction model lawrence Main CFD Forum 4 February 26, 2002 04:06


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:34.