CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > ANSYS > FLUENT

Error: Negative volume and Creating empty surface

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   February 14, 2013, 04:45
Default
  #21
New Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 17
Rep Power: 14
Faby is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by sadjad.s View Post
hi mate,
actually with 6DOF option in dynamic mesh, fluent automatically considers buoyancy force between solid(ie. box) and fluid(water).
my problem was that i considered rather little mass for box (in the main problem it was sphere) so that it went up!
in this example(2d version), i made a structred grid around box and let it move with the same speed as box.(as you can see in picture).
and used remeshing method for unstructured grid.
i use fluent v14.0 64 bit, if you want, post me your email so i send you case & data and udf.
Attachment 16128
I did the same!
Faby is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   February 14, 2013, 04:53
Default
  #22
New Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 17
Rep Power: 14
Faby is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by subha_meter View Post
Hi Sadjad,

Although the dynamic mesh model worked for heavier particle (density > liquid). for lighter particle (particle density < liquid density), it seems there's some problem. The particle bounces off the interface instead of floating on the liquid. Any suggestion?

Regards,
Hi!
I was able to simulate a buoyant particle fully immersed in a fluid just setting the acceleration of gravity = 0 and the operating density ( in operating conditions) equals to the fluid density. It works.
For your case...have you seen the ansys tutorial about a 2D buoyant box? This is the video of simulation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpFCF-ctMp0 , but you can find the tutorial on web http://www.scribd.com/doc/92954775/F...2d-Falling-Box.
Faby is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   March 1, 2013, 00:59
Default 2D airfoil O Grid- negative volume
  #23
Member
 
samrat himvanth nanduri
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 30
Rep Power: 14
samcfd is on a distinguished road
Hi,

I'm carrying out a 2D pitching airfoil simulation using dynamic meshing with a "O" Grid.It is a structured mesh. The dynamic conditions i have given were
1) airfoil - rigid body with UDF with pitching over X=0.25
2)interior - deforming with the min and max length scale from zone scale info
3) fluid -deforming with the min and max length scale from zone scale info.

The spring constant i gave was 0.001 and
convergence tolerance 0.0001
No of iterations 150.

The time step tat i used is 0.001.

After running the iterations and after about 500 time steps i'm getting the following error

negative volume detected
dynamic mesh update failed.
i have worked around with the spring constant and also with the time step nothing worked.
could someone help me out rectify this issue..
thanks in advance,
sam
samcfd is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   March 1, 2013, 01:39
Default negative volume - dynamic mesh failure
  #24
Member
 
subha_meter's Avatar
 
Subhasish Mitra
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 56
Rep Power: 17
subha_meter is on a distinguished road
Hi Sam,

In dynamic mesh problems, the mesh around the solid body keeps deforming during each iteration. Now, when the mesh becomes too distorted that the centroid of the cell lies outside the cell boundary, a negative volume is detected triggering the solver failure.

In a structured mesh, cell distortion is always higher than the unstructured mesh. You may tighten the the remeshing criteria i.e. the minimum cell size, skewness ratio etc. however the best way to get rid of the problem is to use "unstructured" (tri/tetrahedral) mesh. This works.
__________________
SM
subha_meter is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   May 8, 2017, 03:55
Default
  #25
New Member
 
Bushehr
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 4
Rep Power: 10
engma is on a distinguished road
hi

The message "Note: zone–surface: cannot create surface from sliding interface zone" simply means the boundaries of the non–conformal interfaces match exactly, such that there are no non–overlapping sections on either side of the interface.

chek this file for more details

https://events.prace-ri.eu/event/156...l/slides/5.pdf
engma is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   May 8, 2017, 06:02
Default
  #26
New Member
 
ahmed master
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 4
Rep Power: 9
engineer master is on a distinguished road
Please any one help me ..how can L solve this problem which appears to me
( application error in CFD_post
error the doesn't exist or is not readable )
So what the reson and what solution? ???
Please. ..
engineer master is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 12, 2023, 10:06
Smile 6-DOF buoyant wooden box
  #27
New Member
 
Mozhgan
Join Date: Nov 2023
Posts: 2
Rep Power: 0
Megan is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by sadjad.s View Post
dear mate,
no need to specify volume, because fluent compute it by geometry.
you just need to enter mass of sphere via udf and density will be computed by "density=mass/volume".
a circle in 2d is actually a cylinder which has one meter depth so in order to compute volume just multiply section are by one.
to solve your problem just make sure that density of sphere is higher than fluid.
if there is still problem, send your email address to send you case&data&udf.
Thank you for your kind hints.
I have a similar project , but i have a floating box. actually this is a Wave Energy Converter which starts oscillating as a result of wave. I have tried both reducing the time step size and fine meshing but still face the same error as you. dynamic mesh failed. negative volume detected. would you please share your Dynamic mesh setting with us?
Thank you in advance.
Megan.
Megan is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
[Other] mesh airfoil NACA0012 anand_30 OpenFOAM Meshing & Mesh Conversion 13 March 7, 2022 18:22
[blockMesh] error message with modeling a cube with a hold at the center hsingtzu OpenFOAM Meshing & Mesh Conversion 2 March 14, 2012 10:56
channelFoam for a 3D pipe AlmostSurelyRob OpenFOAM 3 June 24, 2011 14:06
[blockMesh] BlockMesh FOAM warning gaottino OpenFOAM Meshing & Mesh Conversion 7 July 19, 2010 15:11
[blockMesh] Axisymmetrical mesh Rasmus Gjesing (Gjesing) OpenFOAM Meshing & Mesh Conversion 10 April 2, 2007 15:00


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 22:46.