UDF for body force in DPM

Amir · August 23, 2011, 10:12

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Originally Posted by elah599

Dear Amir
I read the help of fluent for UDS and unfortunately I didn't get what should I do. do I have to solve the flow for multiphase flow or single phase flow? is just enough to consider coefficient of diffusion in material tab? if you have a simple case file, it would be great if you can send me that until I know what should I do. because I didn't find a proper tutorial for this concept.
thanks for your support

Dear Iman,

Generally, you can add number of extra scalar transport to current solver; e.g.: $\partial(\rho C)/\partial t+\nabla.(\rho UC)=\nabla.(D\nabla C) + sources$
They are added to another equations which are provided; something like energy equation, so it's not need to use multiphase models, it's applicable to single phase as well. Just note dimension of diffusion coefficient which you have to set in kg/(m.s); i.e, it's $\rho D$ not D. Other setting is like setting of energy equation, you would need B.C and .... The result is particle concentration (C) as it's expected.
Unfortunately, I don't have small case which I can upload now; nevertheless, if these tips couldn't help you, inform me and I'll prepare one.

Bests,

m.salemi · January 26, 2012, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Amir

Dear Iman,

Generally, you can add number of extra scalar transport to current solver; e.g.: $\partial(\rho C)/\partial t+\nabla.(\rho UC)=\nabla.(D\nabla C) + sources$
They are added to another equations which are provided; something like energy equation, so it's not need to use multiphase models, it's applicable to single phase as well. Just note dimension of diffusion coefficient which you have to set in kg/(m.s); i.e, it's $\rho D$ not D. Other setting is like setting of energy equation, you would need B.C and .... The result is particle concentration (C) as it's expected.
Unfortunately, I don't have small case which I can upload now; nevertheless, if these tips couldn't help you, inform me and I'll prepare one.

Bests,

Hi Amir,
I'm interested in scalar transport for solving such problem,can you help me about this or send a case about this for me???

Amir · January 27, 2012, 04:35

Hi,

Do not hesitate to ask if it's not clear. Just preparing a case is not helpful I think, because it's really case dependent.

Bests,

m.salemi · January 28, 2012, 15:34

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Originally Posted by Amir

Hi,

Do not hesitate to ask if it's not clear. Just preparing a case is not helpful I think, because it's really case dependent.

Bests,

Hi Amir,
thanks a lot,
i want to modeling effect of nanoparticles in water,can you help me???

Amir · January 28, 2012, 16:50

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Originally Posted by m.salemi

Hi Amir,
thanks a lot,
i want to modeling effect of nanoparticles in water,can you help me???

Hi,

sure; using Eulerian method seems reasonable for your purpose if it matches with your goal; nevertheless, selecting Lagrangian procedure has few issues specially in nano particles; so the only thing you have to do is to activate a scalar equation, set proper diffusivity and UDS BC; isn't it clear or face a trouble?

Bests,

m.salemi · January 28, 2012, 17:49

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Originally Posted by Amir

Hi,

sure; using Eulerian method seems reasonable for your purpose if it matches with your goal; nevertheless, selecting Lagrangian procedure has few issues specially in nano particles; so the only thing you have to do is to activate a scalar equation, set proper diffusivity and UDS BC; isn't it clear or face a trouble?

Bests,

Thanks a lot dear Amir,
but isn`t clear, i don`t know proper diffusivity and BC for this problem, can you explain this???

Amir · January 29, 2012, 04:06

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Originally Posted by m.salemi

Thanks a lot dear Amir,
but isn`t clear, i don`t know proper diffusivity and BC for this problem, can you explain this???

The diffusivity of a substance in another is obtained from kinetic theory and you have to find it from literature (D). This parameter has a dimension of (m2/s) but as I explained the scalar transport equation is:
$\partial(\rho C)/\partial t+\nabla.(\rho UC)=\nabla.(\rho D\nabla C) + sources$
and you have to set $\rho D$ for FLUENT which has a dimension of (kg/m.s), but note that the $\rho$ is the base fluid density and D is diffusivity of desired substance in that fluid.
About the BCs, you have 3 options to set value or gradient or write a UDF for that; you have to set appropriate BC according to your model; e.g., if you set zero gradient it means that there isn't any penetration of the UDS and if you set zero value it means that there is a sink of that UDS.

Bests,

m.salemi · January 29, 2012, 11:31

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Originally Posted by Amir

The diffusivity of a substance in another is obtained from kinetic theory and you have to find it from literature (D). This parameter has a dimension of (m2/s) but as I explained the scalar transport equation is:
$\partial(\rho C)/\partial t+\nabla.(\rho UC)=\nabla.(\rho D\nabla C) + sources$
and you have to set $\rho D$ for FLUENT which has a dimension of (kg/m.s), but note that the $\rho$ is the base fluid density and D is diffusivity of desired substance in that fluid.
About the BCs, you have 3 options to set value or gradient or write a UDF for that; you have to set appropriate BC according to your model; e.g., if you set zero gradient it means that there isn't any penetration of the UDS and if you set zero value it means that there is a sink of that UDS.

Bests,

Hi amir
Thanks a lot for your answering...
i have some question about your answer,
should i solve this equation with continuity,momentum and energy equations and coupled with them???if yes, how can i do this work???
and can i use this equation in common model or i should use DPM or other model???

Amir · January 29, 2012, 16:10

Hi,

Quote:

Originally Posted by m.salemi

should i solve this equation with continuity,momentum and energy equations and coupled with them???if yes, how can i do this work???

No, this equation is solved in decoupled manner with both pressure and density based solvers.

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Originally Posted by m.salemi

and can i use this equation in common model or i should use DPM or other model???

No, you can use this equation with any solver; it just adds additional equations.

Bests,

sfotovati · June 15, 2012, 21:51

Hi guys,

I need to find electromagnetic force induced by other particles over the tracked particle. Can I loop over particles while I am using DEFINE_DPM_BODY_FORCE ??!

I tried "loop(p,I->p)", but it did not work. I also used "begin_particle_cell_loop" macro, it did not work either.

Please let me know if you can help me.

Thanks

Shahryar.

Amir · June 17, 2012, 05:50

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Originally Posted by sfotovati

Hi guys,

I need to find electromagnetic force induced by other particles over the tracked particle. Can I loop over particles while I am using DEFINE_DPM_BODY_FORCE ??!

I tried "loop(p,I->p)", but it did not work. I also used "begin_particle_cell_loop" macro, it did not work either.

Please let me know if you can help me.

Thanks

Shahryar.

Dear Shahryar,

You cannot make a loop over particles in this macro because the particles are tracked sequentially.

Bests,

sfotovati · June 17, 2012, 06:51

Thanks for the reply Amir,

What about the macro "begin_particle_cell_loop"?
I tried that one. I was able to compile it but it gives me access_violation error as I run the DPM. Do you have any idea how to use this macro in define DPM body force?

Thanks.

Amir · June 17, 2012, 08:38

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Originally Posted by sfotovati

Thanks for the reply Amir,

What about the macro "begin_particle_cell_loop"?
I tried that one. I was able to compile it but it gives me access_violation error as I run the DPM. Do you have any idea how to use this macro in define DPM body force?

Thanks.

There isn't any conceptual difference. You cannot loop over particles according to their index or location because of sequential algorithm. You need to change your algorithm; maybe select another macro or use temporary memories to store particle effects ......

Bests,

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sfotovati Member Shawn Fotovati Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 42 Rep Power: 17	Hi guys, I need to find electromagnetic force induced by other particles over the tracked particle. Can I loop over particles while I am using DEFINE_DPM_BODY_FORCE ??! I tried "loop(p,I->p)", but it did not work. I also used "begin_particle_cell_loop" macro, it did not work either. Please let me know if you can help me. Thanks Shahryar.

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