Moving mesh with butterfly valve

uorinopuot · October 21, 2009, 11:24

Hello. I have been modelling a butterfly valve on cfx 12. I try to make the valve rotate by some range of angles but i cannot make it since in the options there are only displacement and location. I used displacement under cylindrical coordinates and i managed to get deformation around the axis i wanted but half the valve was going up and half down, ie not rotating. Any ideas?

ghorrocks · October 21, 2009, 18:19

Do I understand you by saying the valve does not rotate (eg a throttle butterfly in a car) but has two sections which rotate in different directions to throttle the flow? An image might help explain what you mean.

Assuming you are talking about a twin-pivot butterfly, I see several options:
1) Use one rotating frame of reference for the top valve and another for the bottom.
2) Use the immersed solid feature
3) Use deforming mesh - this would be quite difficult to do and it does not appear to be the best option.

uorinopuot · October 21, 2009, 18:38

Hello,

No the valve is a single one. I just tried to describe it as two parts each on one side of the axis. Anyway, I looked further into it and now what i did was to create a second domain (solid) which is the valve. I made a domain interface between the fluid and the valve and now i have a different problem. I use moving mesh and at the same time try to rotate the domain of the valve. Only that rotates though, not the fluid domain...
What i have looks mich like the bottom bit from this page.
http://www.ansys.com/assets/tech-bri...oving-mesh.pdf

Thanks

ghorrocks · October 21, 2009, 22:39

I see, you are modelling a normal butterfly valve then.

You do not want to model the valve as a solid. That will not work (unless you use the immersed solid feature).

My recommendations are still unchanged:
1) Use a rotating frame of reference for the valve and connect it to the rest of the passage with a GGI OR
2) Use the immersed solid feature OR
3) Use a deforming mesh.

Which is the best option will depend on exactly what you are modelling.

uorinopuot · October 24, 2009, 10:22

Okay I'll see what i can do. Thanks lot

songxguan · November 1, 2009, 07:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by uorinopuot

Okay I'll see what i can do. Thanks lot

ghorrocks is right,
you can build two domain, one is flow field without valve, and the other one is a circle domain containing butterfly valve, then connect them with GGI. and then, what you should do is write a CEL to control the domain containing valve to rotate a expected angle.

some details you can refer to a journal paper:
<Dynamic analysis of three-dimensional flow in the opening process of a single-disc butterfly valve>
http://www.springerlink.com/content/vq5472u30686p9w6/

euzinho · May 28, 2010, 06:54

Hi dear
I am trying to solve the same problem but using fluent, and I don´t have any idea how to do in order to get it done...
How can I make this valve rotate?

any help?

thanks in advance

euzinho · May 28, 2010, 06:58

I take this oportunity to upload the model by .jpg
so, I wonder how to rotate the valve
thanks

ghorrocks · May 28, 2010, 08:57

You are using Fluent. Try the Fluent forum.

Archana · February 8, 2011, 01:20

I am using solid works flow efd..
I have trouble in moving the vane to various location..
how do we calculate the CV torque and other values for butterfly valve any information would be of great help

ghorrocks · February 8, 2011, 06:15

What is flow efd? Sounds like you are on the wrong forum too.

Archana · February 8, 2011, 08:25

its flow simulation..
its an add on in solid works.
Which is used for simulation ...
A detatiled "How to do CFD analysis in a butterfly valve ?" is what i am looking for..
It would be kind of you if you could help me...
Thanks and regards
Archana

ghorrocks · February 8, 2011, 18:22

In that case you definitely have the wrong forum. This forum discusses CFX. Try the general CFD forum.

andro · February 24, 2011, 15:03

Hi, I use a solid immersed to simulate a butterfly valve, and I He obtains good results, however I have a doubt why that seems to be immersed solid permeable (part of the fluid is able to pass through it)?

ghorrocks · February 24, 2011, 20:07

Immersed solids work by using a momentum source. You will need to adjust the momentum source scaling factor to stop the flow going through the solid.

Archana · February 25, 2011, 00:16

IS immeresed solid another software ? what are the steps involved in doing a cfd analysis in a butterfly valve

ghorrocks · February 25, 2011, 06:40

No, immersed solids is part of CFX. There is a tutorial example of how to use it.

October 21, 2009, 11:24	Moving mesh with butterfly valve	#1
uorinopuot New Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 17	Hello. I have been modelling a butterfly valve on cfx 12. I try to make the valve rotate by some range of angles but i cannot make it since in the options there are only displacement and location. I used displacement under cylindrical coordinates and i managed to get deformation around the axis i wanted but half the valve was going up and half down, ie not rotating. Any ideas?

May 28, 2010, 06:54	butterfly valve	#7
euzinho New Member euzinho Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 16	Hi dear I am trying to solve the same problem but using fluent, and I don´t have any idea how to do in order to get it done... How can I make this valve rotate? any help? thanks in advance

February 8, 2011, 01:20	butterfly valve vane movement	#10
Archana New Member Archana Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 16	I am using solid works flow efd.. I have trouble in moving the vane to various location.. how do we calculate the CV torque and other values for butterfly valve any information would be of great help

February 8, 2011, 08:25	Butterfly Valve	#12
Archana New Member Archana Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 16	its flow simulation.. its an add on in solid works. Which is used for simulation ... A detatiled "How to do CFD analysis in a butterfly valve ?" is what i am looking for.. It would be kind of you if you could help me... Thanks and regards Archana

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October 21, 2009, 18:19		#2
ghorrocks Super Moderator Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,854 Rep Power: 144	Do I understand you by saying the valve does not rotate (eg a throttle butterfly in a car) but has two sections which rotate in different directions to throttle the flow? An image might help explain what you mean. Assuming you are talking about a twin-pivot butterfly, I see several options: 1) Use one rotating frame of reference for the top valve and another for the bottom. 2) Use the immersed solid feature 3) Use deforming mesh - this would be quite difficult to do and it does not appear to be the best option.

October 21, 2009, 18:38		#3
uorinopuot New Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 17	Hello, No the valve is a single one. I just tried to describe it as two parts each on one side of the axis. Anyway, I looked further into it and now what i did was to create a second domain (solid) which is the valve. I made a domain interface between the fluid and the valve and now i have a different problem. I use moving mesh and at the same time try to rotate the domain of the valve. Only that rotates though, not the fluid domain... What i have looks mich like the bottom bit from this page. http://www.ansys.com/assets/tech-bri...oving-mesh.pdf Thanks

October 21, 2009, 22:39		#4
ghorrocks Super Moderator Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,854 Rep Power: 144	I see, you are modelling a normal butterfly valve then. You do not want to model the valve as a solid. That will not work (unless you use the immersed solid feature). My recommendations are still unchanged: 1) Use a rotating frame of reference for the valve and connect it to the rest of the passage with a GGI OR 2) Use the immersed solid feature OR 3) Use a deforming mesh. Which is the best option will depend on exactly what you are modelling.

October 24, 2009, 10:22		#5
uorinopuot New Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 17	Okay I'll see what i can do. Thanks lot

May 28, 2010, 08:57		#9
ghorrocks Super Moderator Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,854 Rep Power: 144	You are using Fluent. Try the Fluent forum.

February 8, 2011, 06:15		#11
ghorrocks Super Moderator Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,854 Rep Power: 144	What is flow efd? Sounds like you are on the wrong forum too.

February 8, 2011, 18:22		#13
ghorrocks Super Moderator Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,854 Rep Power: 144	In that case you definitely have the wrong forum. This forum discusses CFX. Try the general CFD forum.

February 24, 2011, 15:03		#14
andro New Member ALEJANDRO VELASCO Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 16	Hi, I use a solid immersed to simulate a butterfly valve, and I He obtains good results, however I have a doubt why that seems to be immersed solid permeable (part of the fluid is able to pass through it)?

February 24, 2011, 20:07		#15
ghorrocks Super Moderator Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,854 Rep Power: 144	Immersed solids work by using a momentum source. You will need to adjust the momentum source scaling factor to stop the flow going through the solid.

February 25, 2011, 00:16		#16
Archana New Member Archana Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 16	IS immeresed solid another software ? what are the steps involved in doing a cfd analysis in a butterfly valve

February 25, 2011, 06:40		#17
ghorrocks Super Moderator Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,854 Rep Power: 144	No, immersed solids is part of CFX. There is a tutorial example of how to use it.