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Old   December 7, 2008, 17:54
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Marek
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Hi!

I want to simulate centrifugla compressor in CFX-10.0. First I made hand calculations. I used total pressure on inlet and mass flow on outlet for BC. Although I calculated that Mach number at outlet is 0.77 solver crashed because of high Mach number. For timescale I set 1/omega. I also try to gradually increase mass flow. First I set half final mass flow. Solution almost converged. Than I set 10% bigger mass flow. Solution did't converged. Does anybody has any practical advice?! This is my first compressor simulation except tutorial.

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Old   December 13, 2008, 11:25
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Perhaps you get high Mach number near blade surface (leading edge). I recommend you to check mesh quality of whole model and especially in this zone. May be your elements are too big. In CFX Post you can verify 1) shape of elements â€" several criterions (you'll find information about in CFX Help); 2) Y+ variable on walls (it should be less then 200 if you use default k-epsilon turbulence model).
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Old   December 13, 2008, 20:15
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Georg, thanks for reply

Actually the high Mach number is on outlet. I changed BC to mass flow on inlet and total pressure on outlet. But minimum MAX residual I can get is 5E-4. First I used timescale 1/omega and than I reduced them to 1/(2*omega).
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Old   December 15, 2008, 10:52
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Hi Marek,

You can't specify total pressure at an outlet, did you mean static pressure?

Go back to having a total pressure at the inlet and set the relative pressure at the outlet to zero (i.e. equal to your inlet). This should run fine and return the choke mass flow rate. Compare this to your desired mass flow rate to see if it is indeed achievable.

Some common mistakes to check: 1. Geometry scale; it's not uncommon to have created the mesh in the wrong units. 2. Direction of rotation; use right-hand rule. 3. Component vs. full machine; did you apply the full machine mass flow on a single component? 4. Initial guess; if you entered an initial guess, try deleting it and letting the solver do it automatically. Good intentions can lead to undesirable results.

Generally good advice: If the flow is near choke, use a pressure outlet. Away from choke, use mass flow rate. See the turbomachinery best practices guide in the documentation for more help.

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Old   December 16, 2008, 07:47
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CycLone, thanks for useful reply!

Yes, it was mistake (late hour). I set static pressure at an outlet.

I will set pressures as you said.

Thanks also for common mistakes list. I checked all the things (except No.4) and everything is OK.

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Old   December 17, 2008, 10:04
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I set total pressure (relative pressure to 0Pa) at an inlet and Average static pressure (relative pressure 0Pa)at an outlet. I set reference pressure to 1atm. The mass flow I get is the choke mass flow. Is this correct?

Now I have new question. I made three meshes. Compressor inlet, compressor and difusor. I am not sure how to make domain interface between the inlet and compressor and between compressor and difusor. Inlet and difusor domain is stationary but compressor is rotating domain.

Any useful advices are welcome!

Thanks in advance! Marek
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Old   December 17, 2008, 12:25
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There are 3 different interfaces which you can use to connect stationary to rotating domains. They are called Stage, Frozen Rotor and transient Stator-Rotor Interface. They are described well in the cfx manual. hope this helps you!

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