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Old   March 3, 2015, 06:27
Default Absolute Pressure not equil to Pressure + Ref. Pressure, why?
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As i understood, Absolute Pressure can be computed as sum of Pressure and ref. Pressure, but in my case CFX acts in different way, and should know that way! Please help!!
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By any chance, did you activate the buoyancy model ? You may be seeing the hydrostatic pressure contribution as well.
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Buoyancy model is activated and i tried to account it by creating an expression (Pressure+Density*g*Y+Reference Pressure), but at the and, i didn't get values equal to Absolute Pressure
So how i can get values of Absolute Pressure using Pressure?

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By any chance, did you activate the buoyancy model ? You may be seeing the hydrostatic pressure contribution as well.
Thx for answer, I used this formula: Absolute Pressure = Pressure + Reference Pressure + Hydrostatic Pressure, where Hydrostatic Pressure = Reference Density * g * h.

But i'm still confused about Pressure Drop. I can not use Pressure difference between top and bottom levels, as I get negative values which is not physically possible and I can not use Absolute Pressure difference between top and bottom levels, as Hydrostatic Pressure assumes that domain is filled by only one fluid, but it's not.
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If your calculation of the hydrostatic pressure assumes anything about the number of fluids, it is incorrect.

Have you tried computing the hydrostatic pressure as

(Fluid 1.Volume Fraction * Fluid 1.Density + Fluid 2.Volume Fraction * Fluid 2.Density ) * ( g . (position vector - reference location) )

That should account for the weight of the column of fluid. Notice the . to account for any possible orientation as well as the reference location (which I assume you provided to the software)
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If your calculation of the hydrostatic pressure assumes anything about the number of fluids, it is incorrect.

Have you tried computing the hydrostatic pressure as

(Fluid 1.Volume Fraction * Fluid 1.Density + Fluid 2.Volume Fraction * Fluid 2.Density ) * ( g . (position vector - reference location) )

That should account for the weight of the column of fluid. Notice the . to account for any possible orientation as well as the reference location (which I assume you provided to the software)
I used this formula in CFD-Post, when i tryed to find values of Absolute Pressure using Pressure. By the way, I found out that value of Reference Density has a strong influence over accurate culculation of Pressure. Results for Pressure and Absolute Pressure which i represented above is wrong. When i use value of Reference Density equal to gas density I get right values of Pressures. (First time I used value of liquid density). The reason I write it here, I've read that Reference value of Density is not important for culculation.
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I think you misunderstand the purpose of the reference value. The exact value of this parameter should not matter and it certainly does not vary over the domain. It is a single value used to reduce numerical round-off. You should be able to double or halve it and results are unaffected.

If changing the reference value changes your results then you have a very sensitive simulation and you should be using double precision numerics.
P.S. Double precision and Single pecision numerics give me almost the same results!!!
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