CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > ANSYS > CFX

Creating named selections on inside body surfaces

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   April 11, 2014, 05:02
Default Creating named selections on inside body surfaces
  #1
New Member
 
Line Bergmann
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 20
Rep Power: 13
lbergmann is on a distinguished road
I am modeling a valve with five inlets. I want to create a large body of water that connect all the inlets so that I can have water flowing from the body into the valve.

Later on I want to calculate the flow through each of the inlets. My thought was to create a named selection of the surfaces. I can do taht by having one part with two bodys, but then I have problems with having the water flow from one body to the next.

Any sugestions on this?
lbergmann is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 11, 2014, 07:01
Default
  #2
Super Moderator
 
Glenn Horrocks
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 17,852
Rep Power: 144
ghorrocks is just really niceghorrocks is just really niceghorrocks is just really niceghorrocks is just really nice
I do not understand your question. A diagram would help.

But if you want to know the flow rate in 5 ducts a simple way of doing it is to put an interface in each duct (5 separate interfaces), then you can put a monitor point on the flow rate of each interface.

I think you can also prescribe planes in V15 so you do not need interfaces but I have never used this so am not sure about it.
ghorrocks is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 11, 2014, 09:04
Default
  #3
Senior Member
 
Bruno
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Brazil
Posts: 277
Rep Power: 21
brunoc is on a distinguished road
From what I understand, what you'll have is a duct that connects to the five inlets. So your five inlets will no longer be inlets, they'll just be internal surfaces. Your true inlet will be at this other body. Is that it?

If so, then just generate your mesh keeping those two bodies separated and create a mesh interface. Even if the mesh is the same, you'll still be able the create a 1:1 interface and then use one side of these interfaces to check the mass flow.

Another option is just to create the named selections and try to use something like massFlow()@REGION:nameOfValveInlet. The only thing here is that I'm not sure about where the face normals you point at, so you'll have to check that yourself, since it will directly affect your mass flow values.

Personally, I'd go with the first suggestion.
brunoc is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 11, 2014, 09:24
Default Brunoc is right
  #4
New Member
 
Line Bergmann
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 20
Rep Power: 13
lbergmann is on a distinguished road
I am terrible at describing it.

But yes, my five inlets will no longer be inlets but will be internal surfaces. I managed to slice the geometry and select the surfaces.

My problem the arose when I did the post processing. I defined the inlet as a mass flow rate of 2 kg/s. Through the outlet I get 1.98 kg/s (this is due to meshing on the outlet.) But through my 5 "inlets" I get all together 8e-08 or almost 0 kg/s. I do not understand why.

I am not experienced in using CFX at all. I am not sure how to create interfaces?
lbergmann is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 11, 2014, 09:31
Default
  #5
Senior Member
 
Bruno
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Brazil
Posts: 277
Rep Power: 21
brunoc is on a distinguished road
This is what I meant about the face normals.

My guess is that both sides of your surfaces are inside the same NS, so CFX sees two surfaces whose normals point at each other. Think of it as having an interface an then adding the massflow from both sides of that interface. The result will be 0.

Try the other suggestion I gave you above. It should be easy to change your setup and you won't even need to rerun the whole case; just run it using your current result as an initial guess. It will converge in a few iterations (if not right at the first one).
brunoc is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 11, 2014, 09:40
Default
  #6
New Member
 
Line Bergmann
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 20
Rep Power: 13
lbergmann is on a distinguished road
I dont think I get that either.

I have attached part of the geometry so you can see it. Basically fluid flows in through the outher area, through the small pipes and into the inner volume where it will flow out though one end. http://imgur.com/3NO8FPz

The lines that is seen in the middle of the pipes are where I managed to split the part into two bodies. I have one part and two bodies for this.

When I open up the results in CFD post and use the calculator there the mass flow thorugh those areas that the splitting of the geometry created is practically zero event though there is a flow both in and out.
lbergmann is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 11, 2014, 11:49
Default
  #7
Senior Member
 
JuPa's Avatar
 
Mr CFD
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Britain
Posts: 361
Rep Power: 15
JuPa is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by lbergmann View Post
I am terrible at describing it.
Give us a picture then.
JuPa is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 11, 2014, 18:19
Default
  #8
Super Moderator
 
Glenn Horrocks
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 17,852
Rep Power: 144
ghorrocks is just really niceghorrocks is just really niceghorrocks is just really niceghorrocks is just really nice
Your picture does not show much. Try showing a 3D view, also things like streamlines also help.
ghorrocks is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
ANSYS12 - named selections not transferred enigma Main CFD Forum 8 July 16, 2024 08:23
[ANSYS Meshing] Overlapping named selections enr_venkat ANSYS Meshing & Geometry 3 December 2, 2014 11:28
Importing or Creating 2D Flat Surfaces into CFX Sam CFX 5 March 30, 2013 12:11
creating a solid body in Design Modeller Dan CFX 0 May 24, 2004 12:59
meshing F1 front wing Steve FLUENT 0 April 17, 2003 13:37


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:53.