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Old   August 11, 2005, 08:55
Default pressure b.c. on backward facing step
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Dear All,

I am dealing with Backward facing step problem. So far what I know from the papers, the boundary conditions which should be applied is only for the velocity, i.e. using no-slip boundary condition. What about for the pressure? can anyone tell me?

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Old   August 11, 2005, 09:27
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The pressure boundary conditions are derived from consis tency with the momentum equations and no-slip conditions. To derive them take the dot product of the Navier-Stokes equations with the normal to your surface and evaluate on the boundary - this gives you an equation for dp/dn which is you boundary condition.

eg. if boundary condition is on y=0 the normal is in the y(=n) direction and you have

dp/dy = nu.d^2u/dy^2 evaluated on y=0

where nu is the viscosity.
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Old   August 11, 2005, 09:59
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normal derivative of pressure is equal to zero at all boundaries except outflow where p=0
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Old   August 11, 2005, 10:18
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In general it is not zero - if the flow is nonparallel (i.e. it's not a simple pipe flow) then there will be a nontrivial vertical velocity, so that v is not identically zero, evaluating the v-momentum equation on the surface then gives dp/dy = nu.d^2v/dy^2 which is in general nonzero (note I wrote u instead of v in my previous post).
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Old   August 11, 2005, 10:53
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what will happen to the profile of velocity, just after the inlet boundary, and just before the outlet boundary? Is there any possibility that the v (NOT u) velocity will be negative or positive instead of zeros?

I tried to simulate on simpler domain. Instead of using domain of backward facing step, I use pipe 2D domain. And what I get is, the profile of the velocity near the inlet boundary, for u is positive, but for v, in the upper part is negative, but in the lower part is positve. And near the outlet boundary, the profile for v is on the other hand, i.e. in the lower part is negative and in the upper part is positve.

Is it really like that???
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Old   August 11, 2005, 11:18
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I suspect that this depends upon what your inlet velocity and oulet conditions?

If the inlet velocity is v=0 and u is the fully developed velocity then at the steady state the solution will be every equal to the parabolic profile and v will be identically zero. Any deviation from the fully developed profile will give you a nonzero value of v. Now in this case, when v is nonzero, the noslip conditions on the walls means that you will have, or expect to have, both positive and negative values of v at a single x-location. Far downstream, near the outlet, you would expect the behaviour near the inlet to persist but with smaller vertical velocities - if the pipe is long enough v will be almost zero.
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